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    Multiple Keynotes in a .rfa AND/OR Scheduling Shared/Nested Keynotes

    People's reactions to Revit never cease to amaze & amuse me - with the variety in opinions, excitement, reservations, expectations and more all making my job as equally taxing as it is enjoyable. And this week's "big thing" has been the best in a long one...

    For whatever reason, it's taken us 6 projects to get into using Keynotes - (don't ask ) but with the NBS specification software now featuring a direct keynote export functionality I demanded we test it out. And within seconds the coos and boos started up.

    The coos : Obvious. Automated annotation/tagging linked to the spec.

    The boos : Dismay. That you couldn't have a window frame keynote AND and window glazing keynote read the same family*.

    *Until now, we've "solved" the above issue with using shared parameter text fields for both, but that's always been dependent on manual tallying to spec.

    But of course, I'd like to defend (and advocate) continued use of keynotes - but I've come up short. Tagging shared hosted-families is a given, and individual schedules quite do-able - but one that combines these, (essentially the "want" from our Revit-dissenters) - as attached - has so far defeated me.



    ...Additionally, what I'm struggling to figure out is how to even approach this (modelling wise) with windows. With door assemblies (made from panels, frames & ironmongery families) there's quite a clear approach - but what of glazing panes? Are they each instance controlled shared nested families?!? :crazy:
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    The section format addresses that issue very well, with the Section includes section.
    You should try that approach.
    Perhaps also keynoting materials?
    Gonçalo Feio
    "Ignorance, ignorance, sheer ignorance - you know there's no confidence to equal it. It's only when you know something about a profession, I think, that you're timid and careful." George Orson Welles

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      Shared Nested Families (yes), or Keynotes by material for those objects...
      Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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        Originally posted by feio View Post
        The section format addresses that issue very well, with the Section includes section.
        You should try that approach.
        Sorry, I don't follow. Section?

        Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
        Shared Nested Families (yes),
        "Yes" as in, "Yes I do model each pane with a placed instance of a instance-parameter-flexible glazing pane family?" !?!

        Or "Yes" in some other way?

        Sorry - perhaps it really is that clear - and I'm just not seeing it.

        Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
        or Keynotes by material for those objects...
        Now that, that makes perfect sense, for tagging, but how do I bring the fields for them into a schedule? Again, am I missing something really really obvious here?

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          Youre not missing anything, its just that right now something has to give.

          Yes, i meant model the panes of glass as instance parametered nested families. Even WITH that, theyre all going to schedule as seperate windows, and youll want the instance panes to have some Ident parameter tied to the Parent family so you can at least group them in the schedule.

          Or.

          Material Keynotes, and Name your Materials by Specification Section as well. Then, you can Schedule a Shared Parameter that selects the Material. =)
          Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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            For the section I was refering to, check the old version: http://afbeb.uaa.alaska.edu/AET121/A...ion_format.pdf
            In page 8, after the summary you will find "Section Includes" among other references to other specifications.
            What I tried to say was that items have different specifications sections but can be related.
            I keynote those windows as aluminium windows, but the materials inside are also keynoted. As aluminium frames and glass.
            And that goes to a legend where they are keynoted by material for reference.
            IMHO nested shared families fir that is insane.
            Stay with the materials, as Aaron suggested.
            Gonçalo Feio
            "Ignorance, ignorance, sheer ignorance - you know there's no confidence to equal it. It's only when you know something about a profession, I think, that you're timid and careful." George Orson Welles

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