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    Redundancy for Revit

    With my efforts to work worksets into our project workflows finally working...

    Would be a good idea to fight for RAID 1 HD configurations for our workstations now that we're breaking the cardinal networked-office rule of working with files locally?

    Or is it simply a case of demanding regular syncs to the central file?
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    Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
    Or is it simply a case of demanding regular syncs to the central file?
    Bingo. It's a good idea to never go too long without saving to central. For us that's every two hours. Unless you're working on a project where saving to central is very slow (due to project size, team size, remote location, etc) it's best to do it several times a day.

    Then you have the Central file on the server get properly backed up. It remembers who did what and has it's own system for 'rolling back' the project to save points.

    The whole local vs. central thing is actually a very, very old idea, and is used in software development. It's sometimes called Revision Control or Source Code Control and if you read about it you'll see that Revit simply took this idea for the whole Central file thing.

    Also, RAID I isn't really a backup solution. If you're keeping info on the clients, you need something that's backing up that info to something else, hopefully versioned backups, and then that backup needs to be backed up off-site: http://www.taobackup.com/
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      #3
      Originally posted by JeffreyMcGrew View Post
      For us that's every two hours.
      Our network's under a lot of strain at the moment and although we're addressing it, I do worry that some people are saving nowhere near that often. :banghead:

      Originally posted by JeffreyMcGrew View Post
      Then you have the Central file on the server get properly backed up.
      This we have - so no worries there.

      Originally posted by JeffreyMcGrew View Post
      Also, RAID I isn't really a backup solution.
      True - it was proposed more to protect against mechanical failure mid-working and in-between saves.


      I think we're good to go without for now.

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        #4
        RAID 1 on local workstations seems a bit over the top. It's not just the extra money, it's a whole added level complexity. I've tried it before myself and my conclusion was it was more of a pain than it was worth. Just make sure users are STC'ing regularly.

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          #5
          Originally posted by iru69 View Post
          RAID 1 on local workstations seems a bit over the top. It's not just the extra money, it's a whole added level complexity. I've tried it before myself and my conclusion was it was more of a pain than it was worth. Just make sure users are STC'ing regularly.
          I do this with my PC too (in a double SSD configuration) and it doesn't seem to effect performance. Why did it cause you pain?
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            #6
            Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
            Why did it cause you pain?
            Probably the setup of RAID and the pain of reinstalling Windows.
            Revit Architecture 2013 Certified Professional

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              #7
              Well okay, that could be it I guess. I had it installed when buying a new pc. But I guess that would be something factored in before starting, right? You don't need to try for that.
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                #8
                Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
                True - it was proposed more to protect against mechanical failure mid-working and in-between saves.
                Honestly, for the cost of doing RAID I, you could get high-speed SSD drives instead. That is if you've got a budget to do something with the clients.

                We've seen significant speed increases since switching to SSD drives. Since everything goes on the server, having smaller but really fast drives on the client have worked well for us.

                So my primary desktop machine has a 60 gig intel SSD drive for the OS and primary apps, a 2nd 250 gb spare hard drive for non-primary apps and other stuff, and everything lives on the server. My machine boots in seven seconds, and Revit launches and saves locally so fast it's just awesome.

                You'll also get protection vs. mechanical failure with SSD drives as a bonus! ;-)
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lucis29 View Post
                  Probably the setup of RAID and the pain of reinstalling Windows.
                  Also not all RAID is the same. Hardware vs. Software RAID, drivers, problems, booting (IIRC Windows XP doesn't like some RAID setups for booting), etc...

                  I had a RAID setup on our Linux server, and after a while I actually switched it to one drive as the primary, and another that's auto-backing up the primary twice a day with versioned backups ala RDIFF. It's way better than just RAID...
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                    #10
                    O, and watch out: SSD's don't fly well with some RAID configurations. At least not last year when I bought my pc. It gave the guy who had to put them together quite some headaches.
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