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    How to dimension typical (or very similar) floors in a tower?

    I would like to know how other people are dealing with the task of adding dimensions from floor to floor, in a Revit model of a tower of apartments with typical floors.

    Revit issues errors when one tries to copy dimensions to the clipboard, or when one tries to create groups with dimensions. Or sometimes Revit tries to attach the dimensions as a detail group to an existing model group, and sometimes this is not desirable.

    What is the recommended sequence of steps to do this task in a BIM efficient way?
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    Linked Files, By Linked View, with design options in the linked file for the differences floor to floor height. We are doing it on several jobs right now. Works great, as long as you know how to MANAGE it.
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      #3
      Aaron, that confirms my initial thoughts that there is no easy and simple solution to this task. Are you planning on talking about "linked files by linked views with design options in the linked file" in one of your next classes at AU? Sign me up!
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        #4
        I must say I never have problems with the copy to clipboard solution. Cntrl-C, next view, paste aligned. Works like a charm for me. What are the errors you're getting?
        Martijn de Riet
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          #5
          Originally posted by Alfredo Medina View Post
          Aaron, that confirms my initial thoughts that there is no easy and simple solution to this task. Are you planning on talking about "linked files by linked views with design options in the linked file" in one of your next classes at AU? Sign me up!
          On the contrary, i think it IS easy, and very efficient. It means not even having to copy and paste things from one floor to another, and not having to wait for erratic and large model groups to finish edit mode, which is quirky when those things get too big to be practical.

          I could teach a class on it, i suppose...
          Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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            #6
            Thank you, Martijn, it is difficult to do that in a tower where the floors are groups, or a group of groups, and then you want to dimension floor 2, and also floor 4, which is similar but not identical. I can copy paste the dimensions between structural grids, but I can't even copy to the clipboard the dimensions that are on top of apartments that are groups. Revit shows error messages about not being able to copy these elements, or it tries to make them part of the group, which we don't want. We just want to know if there is a more efficient method other than dimensioning everything from scratch again.
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              #7
              Ahh, the groups then. Actually, I ungroup (if I have any) before starting the dimensioning and annotating. I suppose it could work ok when you set it up right, but it bugs the hell out of me.

              I guess you should go with Aaron's method then, and just pray you get the hang of it before pigs can fly...
              Martijn de Riet
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                #8
                Its just not that bad. Linked Files and By Linked View gets such a bad rap because it means you have to use your head and manage content and keep views coordinated across Linked Files, but once you get the hang of it, it just isnt that big of a deal.

                Hell, when Revit 2009 came out we were JUST becoming able to set Elevations and Sections to By Linked View, and we had a project with 14 models in it. that was 7 Architectural models, 6 of which were always set to By linked View. It was cake.

                Weve got an 8 storey building in progress right now, doing exactly what you are describing. Even more interesting is the floors arent all the same. But a few design options, a few view templates, and its perfection.
                Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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                  #9
                  Groups can certainly work, but they are just so hard to configure and manage, that you cannot possibly have a team working on them. I think attached detail groups could perform a lot better with some additional options in how they are created

                  For very similar floor plates Linked Models are obviously the way to go, but for isolated components like cores etc.

                  Not to get too sidetracked, but when doing this sort of thing with groups, is it just me or can it be a nightmare to populate type parameter data through a schedule once you create a number of group instances, and then apply detail groups. Changing a type parameter which is a simple text value not affecting geometry always ends up breaking the group. Just another example why groups are a pain
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                    #10
                    Its just not that bad. Linked Files and By Linked View gets such a bad rap because it means you have to use your head and manage content and keep views coordinated across Linked Files, but once you get the hang of it, it just isnt that big of a deal.
                    Just for the record, I made a few tests with your method Aaron, and it's a really cool workflow.

                    As always, the smartest way you do it, the better it works! I will look to use this for other things that floors in towers, BTW I don't build towers ;-).
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