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    Staircase & Railing

    Hi,

    I have few doubts on staircase & railing.

    Let me start with the first one.

    I have a flight of entrance steps to the building. I created the steps using the staircase[monolithic] and i got what it looks in the attachment.
    My question is, is there any way to close below the staircase so it looks like a solid one. Normaly what i do is, i wil create a wall which is higher than the staicase or edit the profile of the wall according to staircase.

    Kindly advise


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    #2
    Originally posted by theshell07 View Post
    I have few doubts on staircase & railing.
    You and about a million other users, LOL.

    Originally posted by theshell07 View Post
    My question is, is there any way to close below the staircase so it looks like a solid one.
    Nope. The edit profile walls is a common one. You could use an in-place family (e.g. extrusions) to fill in the area below the stair. Or maybe a variable-thickness slab. Etc.

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      #3
      For the record: this is also the proper way. You don't buy stairs as a complete solid, so I wouldn't want them to be created like that. My schedules would be off, because there will be the need to put a wall there.
      Martijn de Riet
      Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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        #4
        Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
        For the record: this is also the proper way. You don't buy stairs as a complete solid, so I wouldn't want them to be created like that. My schedules would be off, because there will be the need to put a wall there.
        The option would be convenient. You don't have to use it. Also keep in mind that a lot of construction is remodel work that includes modeling existing conditions where you just need it to look "good enough" and don't care about the accuracy. Or you're still in the design phase where you just want it to look right for appearances.

        However, what really needs to be added is the ability to attach the top of wall to the bottom of the stair.

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          #5
          Originally posted by iru69 View Post
          The option would be convenient. You don't have to use it. Also keep in mind that a lot of construction is remodel work that includes modeling existing conditions where you just need it to look "good enough" and don't care about the accuracy. Or you're still in the design phase where you just want it to look right for appearances.

          However, what really needs to be added is the ability to attach the top of wall to the bottom of the stair.
          It sure would be convenient. And I would end up recreating every single stair I see in the architects model, since they (or at least the ones on projects I get hired to clean up) don't care about accuracy even in the new designs "as long as it looks good". The problem with cheats is that they always get used. The attach function would really rock! And make my life a whole lot easier...
          Martijn de Riet
          Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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            #6
            I agree - attach walls to the underside of stairs = good idea.

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              #7
              +1 for me, same thing for ramps.
              Julien
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                #8
                Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
                It sure would be convenient. And I would end up recreating every single stair I see in the architects model, since they (or at least the ones on projects I get hired to clean up) don't care about accuracy even in the new designs "as long as it looks good". The problem with cheats is that they always get used. The attach function would really rock! And make my life a whole lot easier...
                It's not a "cheat". It's a modeling tool. While a stair of the size shown in the example would rarely be poured as solid concrete, smaller stairs could be. But frankly, it's none of your business how I want to show the stair constructed. When you start limiting modeling tools based on "the most common construction practices", you're placing a limit on the design.

                The potential misuse of a tool is rarely a good reason for not having it, even more so when it comes to modeling tools.

                :beer:

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by iru69 View Post
                  It's not a "cheat". It's a modeling tool. While a stair of the size shown in the example would rarely be poured as solid concrete, smaller stairs could be. But frankly, it's none of your business how I want to show the stair constructed. When you start limiting modeling tools based on "the most common construction practices", you're placing a limit on the design.

                  The potential misuse of a tool is rarely a good reason for not having it, even more so when it comes to modeling tools.

                  :beer:
                  Well, you can do whatever you like... . But it does become my business when I get hired to fix the model so that it can be used by the GC. Create proper schedules and so on.
                  Fact is that there are ways to do this just now: create a Generic Model and apply materials, create a mass and plaster this with floor by face and wall by face. Etc.

                  So why need another "modelling tool"?

                  I don't want to "limit design" at all, I just don't need more confusing "modelling tools" that for 95% of the time do NOT apply to real world conditions.
                  Martijn de Riet
                  Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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                    #10
                    workaround alert: use a ref plane, placed by using "pick" to pick the bottom edge of the stairs, and lock the ref plane to the stairs. Now you can attach walls to the ref plane, and if the stairs change, the ref planes move, and so do the attached walls.
                    Scott D Davis
                    Sr. AEC Technical Specialist
                    Autodesk, Inc.
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