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    Question SysQue, Thoughts?

    We are beginning to dip our toe into Revit, possibly making the switch from Fabrication CADmep, but it doesn't really do us any good if we can't spool real world parts for fabrication, and I hate the process of RIF everything out to Fabrication; it's dumb to have to rely on CAD when using Revit, besides the process is a real pain in the neck. Using Fabrication Parts isn't the most ideal. What is everyone's thoughts on SysQue? Good, bad, otherwise. Is there something else that works just as good or better?

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    If you have anyone thats good with Revit then the best thing is to just use out the box Revit & modify/create the family's you need. SysQue is good but very expensive but probably the only real option for you if you dont know Revit. SysQue's marketing will point out they have over a million parts which is great but in reality you will probable only ever use upto 100 fittings for pipework.

    We as a company have created .rfa's for all the fittings we use (and valves), paid a company to create a spooling tool all for less than it would have cost for the first year of buying Sysque

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    Thank you! I am pretty new to Revit, I just know some basics and currently I am the only one that does our CAD drawings for our company. So far I've only taken webinar for Revit training, obviously more formal training is required before we can full make the switch. We currently have a subscription to the Building Data database, that is where I get most of the fittings/valves/carriers that aren't in the Fabrication CADmap software OoTB. The other place I get stuff from is from the manufacturer's websites. I don't know enough to sit down and make all of the fitting families myself. Does SysQue work well with families other than their own, i.e. families downloaded from manufacturer's websites, other places like bim objects, building 3d content, smart bim, etc? I'm not sure what the Sysque spooling tool is like because I've never user it, I'm only familiar with spooling in Fabrication; what is the spooling tool like that your company uses? I have also heard the Vic Tool is fairly good, but it lacks a lot. Basically it's spooling tool is what it mostly has going for it, but even the videos I've seen on youtube it doesn't look overly impressive. I appreciate your help. It's a subject that is tough to get honest feedback on because usually no matter where you ask people either love it or hate it and there is no middle ground, everyone acts like your p***ing in their cheerios when you bring it up.

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    I am also new to Revit and using SysQue. I would say since you already have a Building Data subscription you should also use SysQue. I think that a new SysQue subscription comes with three days of on site training still. I did that after about 6 months of learning on my own so I had already figured out a lot it. I have used the spooling a little bit for a small project we had it worked well, you just have to make sure you follow their rules for setting it up or you have to start all over with a new project. Are you fabbing Duct work? SysQue will send information directly to your coil line for full length pieces and the plasma table for cut pieces. SysQue still has its issues with working in Revit but since Trimble bought them they have been getting a lot better. Their support is very quick about getting back to me about issues. About connecting to other families I have only had a few issues with connecting to manufacture equipment, most of the time it is because of how they make the connection point in the family. Sometimes I change the connection in the family or just pin my pipe or duct to where it is lined up with the connection. It depends on where the piece of equipment is if it is worth my time to make it perfect. In dealing with the piping side I have had an issue with adjusting the piping after the SysQue connections are placed. I either delete those connections and place them back in later or I found that if you grab the fitting to make the adjustment it will work. I have talked to SysQue about this and I believe they are working in it.

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    I've been using Revit for years, especially in the contracting world. If you want to do high-level fabrication, use AutoCAD based products. I don't care if I attract people who will flame me - have at it. Revit is hard to use for fab. In fact, in our office, we're not doing plumbing anymore in Revit unless it's a permit set of CD's that shows design intent. We went back to AutoCAD based vertical products. And we're very good Revit modeler's.

    Now, I have no say so whatsoever with SysQue. I've only seen demos, never used it. Many people think highly of it. If you are required to deliver a Revit model then I can see the benefit.

    This all may change in six months, one year, etc. We're just tired of fighting HVAC and piping on a decent fabrication level in plain Revit - dog ass tired. And the integrated FAB parts are hideous - you can't even create plan views of the parts because the Revit core sees these items as DWG's so it doesn't adhere to the natural View Range settings.

    I guess ultimately I'm VERY much on the fence right now. I will say that learning Revit is a must regardless, but maybe use one guy or a small team to take on certain projects now and build up to it. Revit is definitely the future, no doubt. Fab needs to come on widdit though. AutoCAD based Fab programs are on lock.

    My $0.02.

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    I work for a mechanical contractor so I am getting the final stages of the Revit file to use with the actual fabrication of the end product. The goal is to find problem spots early and fix them before finding them in the field when there is no time to think of a good solution without slowing everyone down. On the plumbing side as of now I'm not really trying to model it because of how we do plumbing. I am just checking that we actually have the space to place it. My focus right now is the Mech rooms and finding the best way to lay them out. We are in the middle of installing the first mech room that I worked on for prefabbing so I am anxious to see how it turns out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhoard View Post
    I work for a mechanical contractor so I am getting the final stages of the Revit file to use with the actual fabrication of the end product. The goal is to find problem spots early and fix them before finding them in the field when there is no time to think of a good solution without slowing everyone down. On the plumbing side as of now I'm not really trying to model it because of how we do plumbing. I am just checking that we actually have the space to place it. My focus right now is the Mech rooms and finding the best way to lay them out. We are in the middle of installing the first mech room that I worked on for prefabbing so I am anxious to see how it turns out.
    Awesome, would love to hear how the fab goes.

    Plumbing needs to be completely re-thought from the Revit team IMHO. For many reasons. If Autodesk sees this post they can contact me directly. No more plumbing in Revit... period.

    -TZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzframpton View Post
    Plumbing needs to be completely re-thought from the Revit team IMHO. For many reasons. If Autodesk sees this post they can contact me directly. No more plumbing in Revit... period.
    Yeah from what I have done, which is very little, the plumbing side is terrible.

    I'll try and remember to let you know when this job is done.

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    Used to use QuickPen for fabrication, in Autocad of course. Back then there wasn't an Autocad MEP, or Revit for that matter. Although that is around the time I started working with ArchiCAD. Guess it is now called EC-CAD by Trimble.

    I asked our BIM Team if we had SysQue and was told it was just too expensive, at the time they checked it out, to purchase for the company. Mainly because we only had a handful of Mech engineers and they all used Autocad MEP. But this may change with MWH becoming part of our company recently, as now we have MEP Engineers using Revit. Hoping they bring a decent library with them, or we do get sysque, as I don't get the budget I used to for creating families on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
    Used to use QuickPen for fabrication, in Autocad of course. Back then there wasn't an Autocad MEP, or Revit for that matter. Although that is around the time I started working with ArchiCAD. Guess it is now called EC-CAD by Trimble.

    I asked our BIM Team if we had SysQue and was told it was just too expensive, at the time they checked it out, to purchase for the company. Mainly because we only had a handful of Mech engineers and they all used Autocad MEP. But this may change with MWH becoming part of our company recently, as now we have MEP Engineers using Revit. Hoping they bring a decent library with them, or we do get sysque, as I don't get the budget I used to for creating families on my own.
    I am new to the company and it is a new position so we are all learning what all I will be doing and covering. SysQue has a process for requesting new material but they don't notify the person who made the request if it is done or if they are working on it. I know others have brought that up. I did a request once and never knew that they actually did families that I requested.

    We have two ME's that use Quickpen for estimating.

    Side note my wife is from just south of Coeur d Alene, from Plummer. She is heading that way next week for her sisters wedding.

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