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    I forget where we left off with this discussion, but here's a good article on spaces:

    https://aectechtalk.wordpress.com/20...-in-revit-mep/

    "...As an example, mechanical engineers can place a VAV box in a plenum space and have a schedule which identifies the plenum location of the VAV box if there is a Space in the plenum area..."

    This isn't just about pour areas, but also project management. I believe spaces will be very useful not only for engineers, but contractors too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsmith3 View Post
    In the specific example of pour breaks, have you considered using a dedicated area plan type? The area boundary lines could represent pour breaks, and be graphically overridden as needed. Pours represented by areas.
    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Unless the desire is to see slabs broken down into pours, this is how I would* do it.


    *that is to say, if someone were paying me (extra-over) to - since this would not typically fall within an Architectural remit.
    The problem with area plans is, I can't seem to create an Area Schedule with an embedded Pipe Accessory Schedule, which is why I need to create spaces (Space Schedules allow you to embed).

    I'm on a new project and finally trying to implement this. Here's where I'm at below:

    I set my linked structural model to "Room Bounding" so that I could create one massive space bound by the structural model's foundation walls. Set the top=2600mm, bottom=-1000mm, plan's cut plane is 2000mm, so we're all good.

    Drew space separators, added spaces, tagged, numbered according to pour area. Still all good.

    Created a space schedule, embedded pipe accessory schedule, BINGO. All sleeves captured by a space is sorted by its respective pour area. All sleeves are now associated to their Pour Area (space name).

    NOW...the problem is, structure has not modeled in any above grade walls (covered by the architect's scope of work). How can I get the architect's envelope (curtain walls) to be room bounding, without triggering all the internal walls?

    Because I cannot create a space with just structural floors. I can't believe I got this far with this idea.

    Next will be creating spaces for the architect's model and grouping spaces to create zones, which will block out large areas of the building. Those spaces will "grab" all mep content and sort it on a schedule so that we can plan our install sequence. **Hopefully**

    However, I'm still stumped with the structural model and the fact that there are no walls above grade.

    Thanks a bunch for following/reading/helping.
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    This thread is really confusing...it starts out about concrete pours but a MEP person is writing it and now it seems to have morphed into a scheduling equipment problem? Time for separate thread??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
    This thread is really confusing...it starts out about concrete pours but a MEP person is writing it and now it seems to have morphed into a scheduling equipment problem? Time for separate thread??
    It was always an equipment scheduling problem which was related to creating spaces, which in turn was related to "room bounding" a linked model so that I can place the spaces.

    On the last job, I couldn't figure it out so, I had to rely on my modelers to input the correct shared parameter values (pertaining to location) on all mep objects. Now by creating spaces, they just have to model and my room separator and spaces sorts out the location of said objects. But I think I just nailed it...will come back and explain.

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    So...because the structural scope doesn't capture the above grade architectural envelope, it doesnt matter if I make their model room bounding, spaces just will not stick the way I want it to. Definitely can't work if I room bound architectural because all their spaces get triggered.

    To remedy this, I modeled a bunch of 8" high concrete walls like curbs. These were modeled on a workset set to be "not visible in all views" so they dont end up cluttering the consultant models when linked into theirs (Im also going to instruct them to close this workset via manage links). Then I figured, copy them down to the below grade levels and adjust so they outline the foundation walls. I did this to be consistent so that I dont end up with spaces that are bound by the structural model. Also, I have foundation wall sleeves that arent captured by the space if I place spaces bound by structure because the space would terminate at the inside face of the wall. Since my walls curbs are aligned to the outside face of their walls, the space extends out to capture the entire wall sleeve thus including them on my BOM. Now I can place spaces but before I did that, I deleted the previous spaces via schedule (delete rows) and unchecked the structural model "room bounding" button. Since I already set up my space schedule with embedded pipe accessory schedule, it just repopulated exactly as I want it when I popped in the new spaces.

    I now have a set of sleeving drawings with space separators acting as the pour break and not just dummy model lines. Plus I have a sheet with all slabs at 1:500 with pour areas tagged (tag identifies pour and indicates construction date per pour). Pour breaks are dimensioned. I plan on sharing the drawing with the GC so if/when they change pour breaks, we can communicate. One better move could be if I sent/sold them the set up, they could massage the dimensioned pour breaks and share that wih the whole construction team. We would all link that in and every time they update their pour breaks, we all download/reload and presto, instant update for everyone.

    I'm pretty sure I nailed this. It certainly feels right. If anyone can spot an error or whatnot, I would love to know how I can do this better. Feel free to critique and thanks for everyones input. My next step will be to room bound the architectural and set up spaces to keep track of my MEP content by air distribution zones. Fingers crossed. This has been a thorn in my mind for over a year and it feels like I have something that at least provides one intended outcome. Hopefully there will be minimal unintended consequences. Cheers.

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