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Thread: Pipes in fine (3D), pipes in coarse (complex linetypes), how to combine the two?

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    Pipes in fine (3D), pipes in coarse (complex linetypes), how to combine the two?

    So I find myself in a dilema. Plumbing drawings on the engineering side are always drawn as a single line with text. So a cold water line would be -CW- and hot water line would be something like -HW-. In coarse view the 3D pipes are drawn as a solid, continous single line. In early stages I was representing the plumbing design with complex linetypes like the one I previously mentioned. But now I find myself drawing the 3D pipe and not having the ability (or so it seems) to properly display my pipe in coarse view. We want to take advanteges of Revit and progress to a BIM workflow but this makes little sense having to have two parallel designs with no connection to each other. So here are my questions:



    1. Do I have to have two systems representing my plumbing design (3D pipe for coordination AND complex linetypes for sheet views)?



    2. Is there a way to insert that complex linetype for my piping types so I only have to draw once? I know pipes are system families but is there some workaround?

    3. What is the best workflow for plumbing pipes in Revit, yet be properly displayed on sheets.



    I hope I am making sense. Thanks in advance.
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    Use tags that identify the System Abbreviation parameter like CW and HW or H, C and R. I typical place one tag per segment. For long pipe runs place several tags along them. It's actually pretty easy and you only put in view that really need them for documentation. Other views can just rely on Filters to change their color to make each type easy to see.

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    Thats what I was thinking. I flew that idea to the mechanical enginner and he didnt like it at all. He thought as drawings get busy, the tags would lead to confusion. I know that certain practices will have to evolve to move forward with Revit but getting people to change fro the greater good, down the line is very difficult. Getting the piping systems to display with single line with text defining the systems has been a long standing practice for most pluming drawings. It frustrates me that features are often writtn into the program by folks who have never worked in the industry. Hopefully down the road this can be on a wishlist.

    It seems as if I want to draw the piping system once I have to draw in 3D, represnet it as single line on a sheet view and tag it as suggested.

    Thanks.

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    Don't talk about it, show him a printed plan. Results matter and are easy to judge or evaluate.

    A tag can be nearly indistinguishable from text embedded in a line style, except for the frequency of text appearing in the line style (and no control over that at ends). In fact I find using fewer tags than embedded text in a line style would can result in cleaner documents.
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    I will do that. Thank you very much for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadmancan
    ...I will do that..
    Good luck!

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    After closer look at your attachment, I tried utilizing the system abbreviation tag by loading it. Problem is when I highlight the pipe, the system abbreviation is greyed out. So is the system name and system classification. The system type allows me to use the pullldown. What must I do to be able to enter the system abbreviation as you have shown. From my understanding pipes are system families so there isnt alot of chnages I can make there. Thanks for all your help.

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    Project Browser > Pipe Systems > Domestic Hot (or cold or any) Water > System Abbreviation - enter the abbreviation. Tag will report that value.

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    Got it! You are the bomb!! Appreciate your help and patience.

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