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    Pipe Settings dialog vs Pipe Systems

    Attached is a Screen shot of my Mech Pipe Teams' Piping Systems and the Pipe Settings dialog. I show this to point out that we are not seeing the new Piping systems in the Settings Dialogue....only the Default Systems. My guys want to setup 'presets' for the various systems for Pipe Types (Materials) based on the Design Sizes, i.e., for a prticular system, the pipe size for a system is between 1/2" and 2-1/2" dia, then they would preset to use say Copper.............anything over that 2-1/2" we would have a system type using Blck Pipe..............etc. BUT since we only see Default Systems in the Settings box, we can't seem to accomplish ths. So the question begs, have we missed something here, of assumed oto much out of her?

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    Every new piping system you make is based off of one of those default pipe systems. Notice how all of my pipe systems in the screenshot have a symbol next to them - those represent the default system they were based off of. So my hot Oil system is classified as "Other". What are you guys trying to do with the pipe settings and these new systems?
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    Aaron,

    We/they are wanting to set defaults' for the various systems they created......since the "stock' Hydronic Supply is at 9'0" (US) Elev default, They wanted a Chilled Water Supply-Copper, BASED on a stock Hydronic to be created, may be 12'0".....AND for copper sizes UP TO 2" only,,,,,,,,,, then Chilled Water Supply-CSBW50 (CarbonStell-Butt Weld, Sched 50) for 2-1/2" and up at 12'0"......but as you can see in the settings pulldown, we only see the "Stock" systems, not our new additional ones also. And this would set up the same for the other NON-STOCK Systems.

    Does that make sense?

    Mike

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    Sure, makes sense to me, but unfortunately not to Revit. I don't think any additional Pipe Systems will show up in the pipe settings other than the default ones.

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    SOOOOOOOO Close, yet so far away............This really needs to be added as a function..I need to find the wish list again and add this to it.

    Thanks,

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ch2M_MikeMaloney View Post
    Attached is a Screen shot of my Mech Pipe Teams' Piping Systems and the Pipe Settings dialog. I show this to point out that we are not seeing the new Piping systems in the Settings Dialogue....only the Default Systems. My guys want to setup 'presets' for the various systems for Pipe Types (Materials) based on the Design Sizes, i.e., for a prticular system, the pipe size for a system is between 1/2" and 2-1/2" dia, then they would preset to use say Copper.............anything over that 2-1/2" we would have a system type using Blck Pipe..............etc. BUT since we only see Default Systems in the Settings box, we can't seem to accomplish ths. So the question begs, have we missed something here, of assumed oto much out of her?

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    Mike,

    You can achieve this by specifying a new pipe type under families --> Pipe --> Pipe Type. Because of the new routing preferences under the type properties of the pipe type, copper and CS can be used for specific pipe sizes. In previous version, I just named my pipe types as Copper or PVC. In 2013, I will be naming the pipe types based on the system, Hydronic, Domestic Water, PVC, etc. utilizing the new routing preferences. See attached image for a screenshot of the defaults in the OOTB revit templates.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCERBIMMan View Post
    Mike,

    You can achieve this by specifying a new pipe type under families --> Pipe --> Pipe Type. Because of the new routing preferences under the type properties of the pipe type, copper and CS can be used for specific pipe sizes. In previous version, I just named my pipe types as Copper or PVC. In 2013, I will be naming the pipe types based on the system, Hydronic, Domestic Water, PVC, etc. utilizing the new routing preferences. See attached image for a screenshot of the defaults in the OOTB revit templates.

    Hope that helps.

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    I am architectural but I am creating standards for rainwater and drainage plus our M&E group are just starting out in Revit so I am looking to understand MEP.

    I am looking to use sanitry for RWPs since they connect into drainage and foul on a combined system. You suggest pipe types based on use so I would create a RWP type with associated connections, right? So would you create a system type to match (duplicated from sanitry) or just assign the RWP pipes to default Sanitry?

    Also, what does vent get used for? Do the different default Piping Systems behave differently (on calcs etc.) or are they purely organisational?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrie View Post
    I am architectural but I am creating standards for rainwater and drainage plus our M&E group are just starting out in Revit so I am looking to understand MEP.

    I am looking to use sanitry for RWPs since they connect into drainage and foul on a combined system. You suggest pipe types based on use so I would create a RWP type with associated connections, right? So would you create a system type to match (duplicated from sanitry) or just assign the RWP pipes to default Sanitry?

    Also, what does vent get used for? Do the different default Piping Systems behave differently (on calcs etc.) or are they purely organisational?

    Thanks
    For the Rain Water, I would duplicate it from the Sanitary system so that is using the Sanitary System Classification. Are you using 2012 or 2013? If you are using 2013, you can specify routing preferences for different sized pipe, so I would create something like what I have in the attachment. If using 12, you make the pipe types based on how I have it listed above.
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    Thanks for your reply. I am using 2013. So Segments & Sizes are by product, Pipe Types by application and Piping Systems by discreet networks? Just trying to break it down into a logical approach.

    What does Vent get used for or what does it mean to you? Not sure if it makes more sense in US but our guys say they only use vent in combination with soil i.e. SVP so that would be sanitary anyway.

    Do you know if the different default Piping Systems behave differently (on calcs etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrie View Post
    Thanks for your reply. I am using 2013. So Segments & Sizes are by product, Pipe Types by application and Piping Systems by discreet networks? Just trying to break it down into a logical approach.

    What does Vent get used for or what does it mean to you? Not sure if it makes more sense in US but our guys say they only use vent in combination with soil i.e. SVP so that would be sanitary anyway.

    Do you know if the different default Piping Systems behave differently (on calcs etc.)
    Yes you are correct, that's how I have 2013 setup for pipe. Vent is used to "vent" the gases from sanitary sewer through the roof of a building. We display vent differently and vent uses different fittings compared to a standard sanitary line.

    The default systems classifications should behave differently but our plumbing guys don't use revit for calcs.
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