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    Lines, Filled Region, and masks in tags changing insertion point

    I'm having an issue with insertion points of pipe tags. Our tag has an arrow built into it and when I added it to the family the tag trys to insert on either corner of the arrow. Is there a way to correct this behavior? Everything is set to not a reference.
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    Anyone have any ideas on this? It's been a while.

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    can you post the family?

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    Well, that would have been a good start, wouldn't it. Sorry. Here it is.
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    My guess, without looking at the file. Is that there is something in the tag that puts the vertical extents of the tag uncentered over the horizontal reference plane.


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    Ive seen the same problem before and it appears the origin of a tag is not affected by the 'Defines Origin' workplanes or the extents. The insertion point is the internal 0,0 origin of the tag family...which you cant see.
    If someone has moved the origin lines in the family they will no longer be on 0,0 and the tag will be inserted offset from the tagged object.

    You could try loading a dwg with a line at 0,0 into the tag family as a reference. Otherwise just move and reload until you get everything centred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    Ive seen the same problem before and it appears the origin of a tag is not affected by the 'Defines Origin' workplanes or the extents. The insertion point is the internal 0,0 origin of the tag family...which you cant see.
    If someone has moved the origin lines in the family they will no longer be on 0,0 and the tag will be inserted offset from the tagged object.

    You could try loading a dwg with a line at 0,0 into the tag family as a reference. Otherwise just move and reload until you get everything centred.
    That sounds like it would cause a tag to always be offset by the same amount and in the same direction. In the image above you can see that the same tag on the return pipe is in two different positions that appear to be locking to the corners of the arrows.

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    I think the arrow get a bounding box placed around it and this becomes the reference that the tag tries to place itself at. If you move the contents of the tag so that the reference line is touching the top or bottom of your arrow(s) then you can have the tag place correctly on the pipe (or duct) without affecting how the non-arrow type of tag places. Just don't do this in the middle of a project otherwise you have to fix all of your tags....

    I remade our tags from being off-centre to centred on the reference plane, but since I usually change the tag types after I place them I didn't feel like I needed to change them back to how they were before. Perhaps I will now...

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    Sorry for never getting around to following up on this. I ended up categorizing this under kind of fixed?

    I offset the content of the tag so that the bottom of the arrow was touching the reference line. This does allow the tag to be placed with the arrow centered on the pipe but it still offers two positions. One with the tag above the pipe and another in the correct position. I think I might start looking into this gain because when both arrows are off the tag is slightly above the pipe. See the image below. The Tag on the left is placed in the only position it offers and its slightly high. The two to the right show both position the tag offers me based on whether my mouse is slightly above or below the pipe.

    Lines, Filled Region, and masks in tags changing insertion point-pipe-tag-arrow-03.png

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