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    Detail items and cutting through walls

    Hi all, I have a recessed heater family in which I'm using detail items for the 2D symbols. The one issue I'm having is showing the recessed portion of the equipment regardless of the cut plane/view range settings. Is there a way I can do this through detail items? If not, what proper method is there for me to show the recessed portion of equipment that will show regardless of cut plane?

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    You can nest a detail item into your heater family. If your family changes size its a good idea to apply thise same paramters to the detail item so it changes accordingly.

    Ok i almost read the whole thing wrong lol. Place your nested detail component at reference level in your family and it should show up regardless of cut planes. Make sure it really us 2D annotative lines in a detail items family and not just a 3D model lines hack (which will only show when actually being cut)
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    Quote Originally Posted by elton williams View Post
    You can nest a detail item into your heater family. If your family changes size its a good idea to apply thise same paramters to the detail item so it changes accordingly.

    Ok i almost read the whole thing wrong lol. Place your nested detail component at reference level in your family and it should show up regardless of cut planes. Make sure it really us 2D annotative lines in a detail items family and not just a 3D model lines hack (which will only show when actually being cut)
    lol, yes the second part is what I was asking. In terms of placing my nested detail component at "reference level", what do you mean exactly? Below is an image of what I have currently? It's placed in the front elevation view.
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    I was refering to placing it in plan. When you say recessed heater does that mean it physically cuts out a floor or wall? If you want to see your DC in plan place it in plan. You'll nees another DC for section/elevation. Feel free to post your family.

    Edit, if you're hosting the DC on a movable reference plane it might disappear if it goes below your project view cut plane.
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    Is it a Plumbing Fixture family? I have had issues with symbols for families disappearing if the family is above the cut plane, but still within view range.
    So if your cut plane is through the doors and you put a plumbing fixture in the ceiling void, the detail item is not visible, just the 3D model... Other categories behave differently.

    You can put a ref line 'tail' in the family that invisibly goes through the cut plane, but that causes other issues...
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    Quote Originally Posted by elton williams View Post
    I was refering to placing it in plan. When you say recessed heater does that mean it physically cuts out a floor or wall? If you want to see your DC in plan place it in plan. You'll nees another DC for section/elevation. Feel free to post your family.

    Edit, if you're hosting the DC on a movable reference plane it might disappear if it goes below your project view cut plane.
    I mean that it physically cuts into the wall, as it's recessed into the wall. So I can't place my detail item in plan view of the family, because in the project it's actually the front view of the family showing up for the symbol.

    And ya, that's the whole issue I'm trying to figure out a solution to unfortunately. I'm hoping I can somehow show the detail item, or some sort of line, to indicate that the heater/device is recessed, regardless of where the cut plane is. So far seems that it's not possible unless I use a plan region when needed.


    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    Is it a Plumbing Fixture family? I have had issues with symbols for families disappearing if the family is above the cut plane, but still within view range.
    So if your cut plane is through the doors and you put a plumbing fixture in the ceiling void, the detail item is not visible, just the 3D model... Other categories behave differently.

    You can put a ref line 'tail' in the family that invisibly goes through the cut plane, but that causes other issues...
    No, it's a mechanical equipment family, thanks for the feedback though.
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    You can place Detail Items on vertical workplanes, for example in the Front view. Thats what I use for symbols in pipe accessories (That are often rotated 90 degrees or in vertical pipe). You cant do this with Generic Annotations though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    You can place Detail Items on vertical workplanes, for example in the Front view. Thats what I use for symbols in pipe accessories (That are often rotated 90 degrees or in vertical pipe). You cant do this with Generic Annotations though.
    I do have it placed in the family's front view, but the issue is that the portion that represents the recessed section of the heater disappears in the project's plan view if it's below the cut plane. I'm trying to figure out how I can prevent that/work around that.

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    Youll need to use the invisible line trick to get revit to see it (even if you hide the 3D geometry). If your 3D geometry (the invisible line) isn't being cut you won't see your detail item either.

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