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    Creating a Custom Basket Tray Systems Family

    To the AUGI members this may concern,


    I am a Revit/CAD Designer for a technology company (mainly use Revit now a days). Through our projects, we often use the Ladder Tray Systems family. This allows us to draw a line, and the Ladder Tray Family is drawn accordingly (based on my set heights and sizes). This is EXTREMELY helpful and speeds up the time it takes to draw ladder trays. More recently, we have been incorporating Basket Trays (wired) into our designs, and the Systems Family for Revit is absolutely terrible for this. It looks like a solid model which we cannot use as it doesnt look like the actual product. As a work around we have been placing individual families around our project and building our basket trays that way (one piece at a time, adjusting sizes and such). This is very time consuming and got me thinking that there MUST BE another way!


    I was able to partially edit the Revit Systems family for wired mesh tray, but here is where I am stuck. My basket tray family shows up when I draw it on all pieces (bends, T's, Cross, etc) but I cannot find where to change the look of the straight run. The straight run still shows up as the solid model, while the rest are showing the basket tray I have loaded. Where can I replace the straight run so that it is my basket tray straight run (see picture below).


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    As you can see, my custom System family worked in all cases except for the straight run (I have the family just cannot see where to replace the solid straight run with my custom basket tray straight run)


    Any help would be much appriciated! if you have any questions feel free to ask!

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    You can't assign straights in routing options, I tried to do the same for ductwork and ended up just as frustrated as yourself. I suppose you may be able to use unions but I doubt that would improve the actual workflow.

    Try looking at Fabrication Parts, there are many items, including basket tray fittings in there and they work pretty well. They are also data rich and you can create your own standards, specifications and catalogs. Problem is that you will require Autodesk's CAMduct or another Fabrication product to actually edit the database.

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    If someone else here knows how to hack system families then by all means please share, otherwise this would be the option I suggest if you are doing loads of cable tray work, and doubly so if you are manufacturing. Good luck!

    EDIT - Oh, and don't bother unless you have or plan to get Revit 2017 as the Fabrication Parts either don't work or work poorly on earlier releases. And I forgot to mention just how powerful these parts can be, you can set wire diameter, spacing, angles in and out, also connectors are all there and automatically adjust according to your pre-set specifications. Finally CAMduct also has a report builder hat alllows you to send any and all this information out to a workshop, estimator, supplier, etc.

    There is also SysQue, which many Revit users are happy with, but it can be quite pricey.
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    Wow, I must say that for a program as powerful as Revit, its a shame that this simple feature is not added. Why cant the straight run have a drop down box like all the other pieces (bends, T's, Crosses, etc)? Makes no sense in my eyes as someone who uses it day to day, and seems like such a simple option to give us (not that I'm a programmer, but just seems like a simple task). Im going to keep digging around and see if I can find where the system families are located within the Autodesk folder, and will also try making a ticket with Autodesk to see if they can lead me to a better way. I do not have access to Autodesk's CAMduct either, so that approach doesnt work for me. (Im also using Revit 2015/2016 depending on when the project was started/what version the architect is using for coordination purposes).

    Ive also heard of SysQue, but havent looked much into them or their pricing. I saw the detail that can be achieved but havent seen anyone working with it in real time to see how effective it can be in my day to day work. May have to do some more research on them should I not be able to figure out this system family business
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    [SIZE=2][FONT=tahoma]RAllen, I'm the Electrical specialist for SysQue. We do have manufacturer specific wire basket families and systems to model wire basket straights, fittings, and splices are also included at the fittings and straight cut lengths so you will have a complete Bill of Materials for ordering. In addition, we have systems and families for WireWay, BusWay, and Ladder tray that are all based on Manufacturer's dimensions. Our conduit systems have the ability to place couplings at cut lengths and fittings, you can designate what wires are in the conduit, or what panel and circuits are assigned to the conduit. Wire quantities and lengths can be reported for scheduling. You will have the ability to spool the bent conduit for Pre-fab. Hangers can be placed during the modeling process or added afterwards.

    I would love to set up a demo for you. Take a look at our website removed link. I can be reached at jmiller@sysque.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SysQueJudy View Post
    [SIZE=2][FONT=tahoma]RAllen, I'm the Electrical specialist for SysQue. We do have manufacturer specific wire basket families and systems to model wire basket straights, fittings, and splices are also included at the fittings and straight cut lengths so you will have a complete Bill of Materials for ordering. In addition, we have systems and families for WireWay, BusWay, and Ladder tray that are all based on Manufacturer's dimensions. Our conduit systems have the ability to place couplings at cut lengths and fittings, you can designate what wires are in the conduit, or what panel and circuits are assigned to the conduit. Wire quantities and lengths can be reported for scheduling. You will have the ability to spool the bent conduit for Pre-fab. Hangers can be placed during the modeling process or added afterwards.

    I would love to set up a demo for you. Take a look at our website removed link. I can be reached at jmiller@sysque.com.
    Have emailed you with some more information Thanks and keep the suggestions coming people!

    I have also posted this question on AutoDesks forums for their answer day they have going on today. Should it lead to anything I will post the results on here!

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    Unfortunately it seems as though (through research done on multiple forums) that the System Family cannot be modified completely as it is built directly into Revit rather than being inside of a file. I have created a "Revit Idea" on the autodesk website, and it has gained some traction these past few days with Up Votes as there is others who wish to have editable System Families within Revit for ease of use and better workflow.


    I am putting the link below to my idea. For any of those who wish to see this idea added to future revit version, please click on the link, and up vote the idea so that it makes it way to the first page and has the best chance of being noticed! (Currently on page 8/19)! Lets get the ball rolling and get Autodesks attention to this!


    Custom System Familes - Autodesk Community

    Thanks to all up voters

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    bumping in hopes someone else see's this with more insight or information.

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    SysQue doesn't really have straight cable tray runs as wire basket... at least not as a System Family. Their process, as I understand, is to model the cable tray using system families and then replace the straights with a loadable family. Most likely a cable tray fitting so things snap/size automatically. You can do the same or let someone else build/manage the content. I've not tried to recreate this myself but I imagine there's more to it than swapping out families (which you can't do from a system to a loaded anyway). That means deleteing the straights and replacing them. My guess is SysQue has some API tool to manage that for you better/faster/easier. Bottom line, you can reinvent the wheel or buy the one that someone else has already put more R&D into than you'll be able to afford.

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