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Thread: Wanting Feedback: Rooftop Unit Setup File

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    Cool Wanting Feedback: Rooftop Unit Setup File

    Hello all, please download and refer to the attached Revit project. When you open it up, go to the only sheet that is in the project.

    Before it all makes sense, basically what I'm after is some good constructive criticism on the endeavor. Also, this is an old family... not the best I know, but it's super simple, generic and all the SP's are in place so that's why I used it.

    First, this "sheet" is to act as a "Rooftop Unit Setup" page. In the contracting realm, you create your families based off the dimensions on the approved submittal. Sometimes this is a daunting task, so I'm trying to simplify it.

    Second, I've broken up the schedules to focus on a few items at a time. I've learned that creating a single RTU schedule that includes every single driving dimensional parameter, it gets overwhelming. It's hard to keep track of which data cell you're in, it's hard to look between Revit and the approved submittal, and the columns grow so much the schedule itself gets VERY long so you constantly have to scroll, etc.

    So now on to my theory. Create this page as a quick n dirty "cheat sheet". By simply double-clicking on each of the three setup schedules, it opens the authoring schedule to which you plug away. Not only that but the isometric details assist in referencing each value, further clarifying the process. I've even created a simple color-coded link between the graphic and the schedule itself. I believe this is all very nice, and in soon time, it becomes second nature to anybody adopting this process.

    In the mechanical HVAC realm, there's only so many configurations you'll use, especially on your "bread 'n butter" type of jobs. Having generic LxWxH boxes is key in getting started, and adding fine details later. HVAC equipment is very schedule-intense, and if a contractor takes the time to build all the most used items internally, create all the SP's to create the schedules, then add all the SP's that drive the geometry, I believe this can really streamline the equipment building process for a job.

    This "setup" project is very simple and basic but it should give an idea of what I'm after. Once all the items are in place in the setup project, save the Family out to the job folder and load it into your current project.

    Let me know what you guys think of this idea. Would really like to hear some feedback of all sorts.

    -TZ
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    From a non-MEP perspective:

    • Overall I like the concept. Having to go between the sheet and schedule is kind of annoying but I realize that is a function of Revit and not much you can do about it.
    • Having the schedules broken up and color coded is a nice touch, especially for someone like me who has no clue what most of the values relate to.
    • The plan view with the units might be better as either a wireframe or RCP so I can see how each change affects the setup. If you use an RCP you can maintain your coloring which I personally would add a filter to so each setup has a different fill color.
    • Instead of having this as a separate project that requires saving the family out - why not just build the whole thing into your template? Or Insert Views/Sheets From File and then configure everything in the project.
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    Great points Chad. Thanks for your response.

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    Build that as an add-in and that would be cool as heck. In my CADmep days, I'd run MAKEPAT on CID 521 and do a similar process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFuller View Post
    Build that as an add-in and that would be cool as heck.
    It would, actually. Hmm... maybe I need to call my programmer buddies in North Dallas and have a chat.

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    I like it! A nice clean "user interface" for the schedules.
    Only thing I would add is maybe convert the draughting views to images and then put that in the title area of the schedule, so you can still see it when editing the schedule. (Unless you need it to be 'live' and adjust with changes).
    I agree with breaking up schedules to make them managable, although watch out for duplicating calculated values over multiple shedules. If you need to change a formula then you have to find all the other shedules it is used in and change it there too..

    I did a project recently where the lead designer wanted to make a complete equipment list in excel, so I used a generic block with all the required parameters and adjustable size etc. I used dynamo to make about 100 default types and place them in a row. Then the list and (empty) parameter columns where exported to excel (BIMLink) for the lead designer to make his list. Finally the completed list was read back in to revit, resulting all the 'pieces of the puzzle' to fit in the building. Maybe you could use a similar process with your rooftop units? (Although I prefer 100% revit solutions too..)
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    Thanks for your commentary josephpeel. I like the idea of the image - I didn't even consider this option. I will definitely add this feature as it makes the most sense. Ideas like that is why I upload and share these types of things.

    -TZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    I did a project recently where the lead designer wanted to make a complete equipment list in excel, so I used a generic block with all the required parameters and adjustable size etc. I used dynamo to make about 100 default types and place them in a row. Then the list and (empty) parameter columns where exported to excel (BIMLink) for the lead designer to make his list. Finally the completed list was read back in to revit, resulting all the 'pieces of the puzzle' to fit in the building. Maybe you could use a similar process with your rooftop units? (Although I prefer 100% revit solutions too..)
    Could you post a screenshot of your graph?!

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    This is the "Make and place lots of types" graph. The rest was done via excel import.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    This is the "Make and place lots of types" graph. The rest was done via excel import.
    Thanks!

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