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    While not a 4k screen....I am very tempted to get a couple of these: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6207-_-Product Maybe even getting an AMD card to take advantage of the FreeSync tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkitect View Post
    Maybe not misguided as much as misunderstood? My point was that because you focus on spots, you can only be looking at one monitor at a time. Thus my 1 monitor is being looked at 100% of the time versus having 50% of my monitors not being looked at a majority of the time (assuming you have a main monitor that you focus on primarily).
    But thats a completely useless statistic, LOL. "Oh, im looking at one monitor all the time, but im still shifting focus from one item to another." You miss the entire point: You arent focusing on the ENTIRE monitor at once, as the human eyes cant even do that. So whether you are shifting focus from one "thing" to another, or one "spot on one monitor to another spot on the same monitor" its the shifting that is the issue, not the number of "things" you shift between. LOL.
    I only need to justify it to myself which was quickly done after the first couple of hours of usage. OP asked for opinions and I posted my opinion with reasons. Other users asked for clarifications, I posted clarifications. Rebuttals to my explanations were posted so I clarified my decisions in an effort to edify those interested.
    Sure. And those that dont agree with you are simply pointing out that (regardless of which setup anyone likes better) the logic you are pointing out isnt actual logic, so much as, well, creating a justification that isnt rational. And yes, you are right, you dont have to justify it to anyone. But if youre going to say nonsense like "i doubt you can see from both monitors at the same time," youre going to get responses back that are based on actual fact. Because guess what: You cant read that email AND work in Revit simultaneously, without shifting your eyes. Which means its the same thing. LOL.
    Speaking from experiencing both dual and single ultra-wide setups I can state there is not more effort involved in setting up multiple program windows on a single monitor than with multiple monitors. In fact, if I recall it's an extra Windows key+arrow stroke or two to get it to the second monitor for split screen.
    Also speaking from experience, since that is evidently now another piece of relevant information it *IS* more work, on a single ultra wide. For instance, one of a few things is absolutely true:

    1. You did Windows right, then Windows Left, THEN moved the dividing bar to make Revit larger.
    2. You employed a third party plugin that is managing the desktop frames or "windows" (which you took time to set up). You would almost need to be, as if you then had to open up an application that is larger than your email, your back to having to move the frames around again, or fidget with them, OR change a setting of some sort, because there isnt any more room, with revit sitting there like that.
    3. Those items are always that exact size, and you just minimize or maximize them as needed. (I wouldnt be able to function with an email application as small as you show it there. But maybe if all my emails were just simple text like that it would work, i suppose...)

    Windows Right and Windows Left divides the "screens" evenly, until someone moves the "dividing bar." Once youve done that, its also extra arrow clicks to move between the "frames." Whereas having applications on different monitors, there is an "extra level" of snappable frame, at the monitors sizes.

    Honestly, the "level of effort" of either is minimal, and wouldnt be an argument for using one or the other. But in the spirit of the conversation, having worked for YEARS with both single and dual setups, i spend WAY less time monkeying with Window sizes and moving applications around, when i am on mu multiple monitors. And when i need even MORE applications opened at the same time? (Like Revit, Bluebeam, and an Image Editor opened at the same time), the dual monitors just makes its so there are basically four places to dock things, using the same workflow you are using now.
    That's fair, it's not for everyone. Regarding the laptop stand: the laptop is not intended to be used as a monitor but as an extension of my drawing surface. It's not even hooked up to the same computer as the monitor. While your workflow seems to be hindered by having mismatching monitors (which would be fixed with a single monitor by the way :]), mine is enhanced by the ability to input redlines by hand with a pen. Drawing quick detail corrections by mouse doesn't exactly produce favorable results. I guess if we want to view it as a monitor though, I doubt many of us can claim to be able to detach our secondary monitor and take it to the field and do markups with it.
    To each their own, i guess. I do markups of real details all day long, in Bluebeam. And im thankful to not have to use a pen anymore. I get WAY more out of marking up drawings with a mouse than i ever did with a pen. And ive got great handwriting and hand drafting skills, to. :shrug:

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    Got to play with my mate's SP4 yesterday, didn't download Flipboard, but really liked how integrated Windows Ink is "just" for on-screen notes, but sadly found Design Review lacking in support for (smoothed) pen support, and (unless I was doing something wrong) not happy with multiple input (second hand) for pan/scan/zoom. I only had hands on for half an hour or so, so hardly a fair assessment, but at their prices, and given my audience, ultimately it didn't feel like things have matured enough for seamless transition from paper+pen.


    ...But since this thread's all gone a little 'Reader's Drives', here's my ghetto-setup at work, all 1680x1050 + 1920x1080 + 1280x1024 of v.tired-pixel real estate:

    Monitor Musings-wp_20171003_13_10_52_rich.jpg

    Working right-to-left;
    On the right; a nasty NEC 4:3 relic from centuries past (older than some of our staff I reckon) - but perfect for a "launch" screen, with start menu, Outlook, Newforma, Explorer (Windows & Internet), RDC-windows and all other application fly-outs.
    In the centre; the most "generous" screen, pixel-wise, but actually the (physically) smaller of my two widescreens - simply because Revit needs the real estate.
    On the left; the larger, odder-ratio screen (that's actually a really nice, almost-paper ratio) for "reading & viewing" - so that gets Design Review & Adobe Reader, Navisworks*, Powerpoint, Enscape, etc.


    *I run Freedom alongside Revit on the left, but when plugging away in Manage (which I can't get to right now) things start to look a little different, I'll put Manage in the middle, and have a host of it's dialogs ripped-off and parked across both left and right screens.


    In the end, my (monitor) setup here is purely the product of practice inventory management - and arguably a better arrangement for my needs than a pair of (better) screens. Would I kick up a fuss if I went back to 2No. 1920x1600 24"? Probably not. Do I find two screens when sat with someone limiting? Often. Does this mean I'm unhappy with my 4K 32" at home? Not at all.

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    I run with three separate setups depending on where I'm doing the work:

    - 12.3" screen on a SP4
    - 27" screen (HD 1920x1080)
    - 30" HD screen & 27" 4k screen

    While the surface has the portability and the added advantage that I can draw on it, it's not the most physically comfortable device to work on for long sessions.
    I don't have many issues working on a single 27" HD screen, as tabbing is relatively quick and I tend not to do that often.
    Working on dual screens is more productive, in that it's hardy to reference other material when working with Revit. Revit just sits on one screen, which is fine for me. 4K is so much nicer to work on that HD though, and it's a productivity gain with scrolling in Revit interfaces and through documents.

    Ideally I'd prefer dual 30"+ 4K screens, but that's more for the enjoyment factor than gaining substantial levels of productivity.

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    Had to add another one to the desk. Loving it so far. 3*2560x1440.
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    With all of these "set-ups" getting posted Im wondering why there isnt a deticated thread for this! It is a popular topic in PC enthusiast groups where people show off their desk setups and computers haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkitect View Post
    Revit on left and email/everything else on the right, like this?
    Hi, rkitect.

    I'm going to build me a new customised equipment for Revit, AutoCad, some good renderer software, etc. The monitor I think more convincing thus far is an ultra wide, likely a 2K, 34" curved one (3.440x1.440 pxs.).

    In a panoramic monitor like yours (21:9 format), would Revit fit the entire width of the screen if the right window were minimised or shut down? or Revit has to keep the 16:9 ratio?

    Hello to every one else too. I'm new in this forum.
    Any input, advise or comment on the monitor I'm thinking of would be much appreciated.
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    Any Windows program window should be able to be maximized to fill the entire screen, unless there's some sort of specialized graphics driver in play that creates a "virtual" boundary on the ultra-wide screen to divide it down into smaller sections.
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