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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Yup - and the same feature KVM-like functions - at least the 34" Dell and LG do, and the still lusty 38"... which was helping to make them more attractive still (I run a few machines)...

    but in the end I went for another, slightly leftfield, choice... it's due to arrive today... any minute now actually... I might unbox it at work... I might post pictures... #excited.
    So...... Can you tell me what you've gone with?

    I'm also looking at upgrading my monitors. I currently have dual Dell 20" Ultrasharps.
    Those 27" Dells look good, but need to decide whether to go to 4k or not.

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    Yes!

    Sorry. I've been a bit absorbed.

    I went with the BenQ BL3201PT

    For those that don't follow in-thread links, it's a 32" 3840x2160 60Hz-w/DP 10bit beaut. Seriously, I laboured long and hard over this buy and I'm not disappointed!

    But first, the bad news...

    (But also) To start, I should first explain that pre-acquisition of this monitor saw me using an 11" ASUS handbag laptop hooked up to a ten year old Acer 1080p with a yellow glow running on a type-D hdmi to vga via convertor block at home, and an odd trio of end-of-line monitors at work that I suffer in forfeit of my teams benefit to have nicer equipment.

    The Acer? It is dull, has terrible off-axis and that yellow tinge - so when I read the BenQ had some issue with "IPS Glow", I was prepared for the worst - after all, "bad" (now) would surely be "better" (than 10 years ago?). Well, perhaps it's the screen size exacerbating things, but be warned, there be glow. If you're coming from a place where you're tolerant of compromises, you'll be good - but some might be too distracted by the "blur" in the peripheral vision that this monitor produces. And if you enjoy dark content, as I do, then it is even more pronounced.

    But BenQ never sold the monitor as a dark artist, and I accepted such when I went for it - because in my living room (where, if ever, I am PQ-critical) I have a 47" LG that does blacks wonderfully.

    No, as per the thread OP; I was after real estate. And I have to say I'm going a little cross eyed writing this on the screen in question, but I have also imbibed so make of that what you will. Anyway, the screen is a monster. A pixel fest beyond compare.

    Now I seem to recall using a "mega" 19" 1920x1200 once, I might have the numbers wrong, it might have been a 21", but I distinctly remember the "upgrade feeling" of moving from tiny monitors previous - and this BenQ has revived that feeling again. And it feels good.

    Yes, I'm a little cross-eyed, and perhaps the "recommended" 150% would save me some bleariness, but at 100% I'm working across the expanse as I have done for some years now across multi-monitors, width and depth wise both, using the slightly compromised scaling via RDC and TeamViewer to "command" multiple tasks over multiple computers. I have said before I'm a single-monitor-single-application kinda guy, and for the moment that's still true, but the 3840x2160 affords a "canvas" where arranging screens is a breeze. And I've yet to even play with the PIP functions!

    Games are running fantastically (6700+1080+32GB+512m2 for those who haven't been following) - and after treating myself to some long runs of Cat5e and a rejuggle of my network setup, all is zippy AF. The backlog of as-yet-installed titles on Steam promises to tax my slightly small but oh so speedy primary, but we're supposed to be talking about the monitor!

    From a build perspective, it's solid as anything I've ever used before - if not moreso than the 24" Dell Ultrasharps we have at work - a big solid slab of a desk plinth flat enough to put things on, (which is a nice change from sticky-style-over-substance-stands), plus a hunky arm allowing for vertical movement enough to allow a full 90degree spin with ease (and with cables still connected, even though you're advised not to do so). Speaking of cables, the connectivity is pretty much up there with the best - I've not confirmed 2.0 hdmi support, as I'm not bothered, but a modern monitor offering d-sub, dvi. 2xhdmi, dp, mini-dp, 3xusb. AND a SD-reader? I'm either na´ve to the noise, or this monitor should be getting a lot more praise in our circles!

    Yes the "IPS glow" persists, but I'm not perceiving it presently, with my attention focused on an RFo window in the upper left of screen. Foobar to the right of my immediate vision is still totally within my control, so long as I switch focus of the mind - and the slightly fuzzy explorer window bottom right would be equally so if I paid it attention. Consider also said handbag laptop is ticking away even further right of my fov and will still receive the attention it requires as and when. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you can "zone in" to work, 3840x2160@32"@100% is totally doable in a Windows(10) experience. I struggle to imagine how cramped a 27" would be - and these last two days of familiarisation with 8,294,400px have made me doubly convinced the 24" 4K from Dell is indeed an utter nonsense!

    Still, back to the BenQ.

    I've not yet installed Revit or Navisworks - that will follow next week, but I've made good progress on installing the fruits of my Steam splurge (Primal on Ultra taxes the 1080 as I knew it would, so I'm playing on v.high, whereas Firewatch maxed runs like a dream) and I have also made good on bringing my Win10 experience in line with my well established Win7+8 customisations and home-cloud setup of 4 other PCs (my nerd is showing isn't it?).

    Even rocking a Windows 95-esque teal background!
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    Congrats on the display!
    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you can "zone in" to work, 3840x2160@32"@100% is totally doable in a Windows(10) experience. I struggle to imagine how cramped a 27" would be - and these last two days of familiarisation with 8,294,400px have made me doubly convinced the 24" 4K from Dell is indeed an utter nonsense!
    That's because you're using it wrong. (j/k). Seriously though, you're after "real estate" and that's great for your usage, but frankly that's not the point of 4K/UHD displays, and that's not how the vast majority of users use them - the point is pixel density - to have the same real estate as 1080/1440 displays, but double the sharpness. I personally wouldn't want a desktop display less than 27" these days, but the 24" 4K looks amazing. I can't wait for 8K!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Yes!

    Sorry. I've been a bit absorbed.

    I went with the BenQ BL3201PT

    For those that don't follow in-thread links, it's a 32" 3840x2160 60Hz-w/DP 10bit beaut. Seriously, I laboured long and hard over this buy and I'm not disappointed!

    But first, the bad news...

    (But also) To start, I should first explain that pre-acquisition of this monitor saw me using an 11" ASUS handbag laptop hooked up to a ten year old Acer 1080p with a yellow glow running on a type-D hdmi to vga via convertor block at home, and an odd trio of end-of-line monitors at work that I suffer in forfeit of my teams benefit to have nicer equipment.

    The Acer? It is dull, has terrible off-axis and that yellow tinge - so when I read the BenQ had some issue with "IPS Glow", I was prepared for the worst - after all, "bad" (now) would surely be "better" (than 10 years ago?). Well, perhaps it's the screen size exacerbating things, but be warned, there be glow. If you're coming from a place where you're tolerant of compromises, you'll be good - but some might be too distracted by the "blur" in the peripheral vision that this monitor produces. And if you enjoy dark content, as I do, then it is even more pronounced.

    But BenQ never sold the monitor as a dark artist, and I accepted such when I went for it - because in my living room (where, if ever, I am PQ-critical) I have a 47" LG that does blacks wonderfully.

    No, as per the thread OP; I was after real estate. And I have to say I'm going a little cross eyed writing this on the screen in question, but I have also imbibed so make of that what you will. Anyway, the screen is a monster. A pixel fest beyond compare.

    Now I seem to recall using a "mega" 19" 1920x1200 once, I might have the numbers wrong, it might have been a 21", but I distinctly remember the "upgrade feeling" of moving from tiny monitors previous - and this BenQ has revived that feeling again. And it feels good.

    Yes, I'm a little cross-eyed, and perhaps the "recommended" 150% would save me some bleariness, but at 100% I'm working across the expanse as I have done for some years now across multi-monitors, width and depth wise both, using the slightly compromised scaling via RDC and TeamViewer to "command" multiple tasks over multiple computers. I have said before I'm a single-monitor-single-application kinda guy, and for the moment that's still true, but the 3840x2160 affords a "canvas" where arranging screens is a breeze. And I've yet to even play with the PIP functions!

    Games are running fantastically (6700+1080+32GB+512m2 for those who haven't been following) - and after treating myself to some long runs of Cat5e and a rejuggle of my network setup, all is zippy AF. The backlog of as-yet-installed titles on Steam promises to tax my slightly small but oh so speedy primary, but we're supposed to be talking about the monitor!

    From a build perspective, it's solid as anything I've ever used before - if not moreso than the 24" Dell Ultrasharps we have at work - a big solid slab of a desk plinth flat enough to put things on, (which is a nice change from sticky-style-over-substance-stands), plus a hunky arm allowing for vertical movement enough to allow a full 90degree spin with ease (and with cables still connected, even though you're advised not to do so). Speaking of cables, the connectivity is pretty much up there with the best - I've not confirmed 2.0 hdmi support, as I'm not bothered, but a modern monitor offering d-sub, dvi. 2xhdmi, dp, mini-dp, 3xusb. AND a SD-reader? I'm either na´ve to the noise, or this monitor should be getting a lot more praise in our circles!

    Yes the "IPS glow" persists, but I'm not perceiving it presently, with my attention focused on an RFo window in the upper left of screen. Foobar to the right of my immediate vision is still totally within my control, so long as I switch focus of the mind - and the slightly fuzzy explorer window bottom right would be equally so if I paid it attention. Consider also said handbag laptop is ticking away even further right of my fov and will still receive the attention it requires as and when. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you can "zone in" to work, 3840x2160@32"@100% is totally doable in a Windows(10) experience. I struggle to imagine how cramped a 27" would be - and these last two days of familiarisation with 8,294,400px have made me doubly convinced the 24" 4K from Dell is indeed an utter nonsense!

    Still, back to the BenQ.

    I've not yet installed Revit or Navisworks - that will follow next week, but I've made good progress on installing the fruits of my Steam splurge (Primal on Ultra taxes the 1080 as I knew it would, so I'm playing on v.high, whereas Firewatch maxed runs like a dream) and I have also made good on bringing my Win10 experience in line with my well established Win7+8 customisations and home-cloud setup of 4 other PCs (my nerd is showing isn't it?).

    Even rocking a Windows 95-esque teal background!
    Thanks for the update Snowy.

    I will investigate some more.

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    Dual Dell Ultrasharp 24" 1920x1200 displays here. I can honestly say that Ultrasharps are some of the best monitors on the market. A little more screen real estate like 1440p would be nice, but what I have works for me. And it would be difficult to fit much larger displays on my desk.

    All those curved displays (TV's and monitors) are nothing but gimmickry. Curved movie projection screens make sense as it can reduce or eliminate some distortion that can happen at the outer corners of a flat projection screen, since the light is coming out of a curved lens. But for direct-view displays, zero point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Foobar to the right of my immediate vision is still totally within my control...
    +25 for Foobar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Yes!

    Still, back to the BenQ.

    I've not yet installed Revit or Navisworks - that will follow next week, but I've made good progress on installing the fruits of my Steam splurge (Primal on Ultra taxes the 1080 as I knew it would, so I'm playing on v.high, whereas Firewatch maxed runs like a dream) and I have also made good on bringing my Win10 experience in line with my well established Win7+8 customisations and home-cloud setup of 4 other PCs (my nerd is showing isn't it?).

    Even rocking a Windows 95-esque teal background!
    Hi again Snowy.

    Just wondering if you've got around to installing Revit yet? And if so, how is the monitor working out?

    I've been looking some more, and trying to thin out the options. I was initially quite keen to go with a 32 inch or so, but the more I think about it, I'm leaning toward a 27 inch Dell. I currently have two 20 inch Ultrasharps, which I will probably keep, one on each side of the new one.

    I've taken on board the comments by others in this thread regarding the Dell 27's, which will still be substantially more screen real-estate than my 20's.

    Can anyone give me advice between the U2715H and the U2717D? The latter is the newer model obviously, but strangely the only other real difference that I can see is that the "image delay" is 25ms on the 2717 compared to 12ms on the 2715.

    But I'm more likely to go with either the P2715Q or the newer U2718Q. The main difference between the two seems to be a bit better contrast ratio on the 2718, and HDR, which I don't need (I think!)

    I hope I'm not hijacking your thread, but not sure whether to start a new one or not.

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    After a lot (really, a whole lot!) more investigation and weighing up in my head what I need exactly, I've just ordered a Dell UltraSharp UP3216Q. I managed to get about $250 off the price, but it's still dearer than the Benq by quite a margin.
    But I've had a great run from my current Dell UltraSharps, so decided to stick with Dell.
    Will update the thread next week (hopefully) after I've had a chance to get it up and running.
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    Well..........

    Have been using the new monitor for a couple of days, and it is such a step up from my old ones!

    The clarity is amazing, and have it running at 125% scaling, with no issues so far.

    I've kept one of my old 20" Ultrasharps in portrait mode (is the same physical height as the new one) with Family Browser on it. I did have some problems initially getting the Family Browser located on the second screen; it kept jumping to the wrong side, or half of the screen. I finally worked out that I had to set the second monitor to 125% too, which fixed it. That also fixed the only minor "Properties" dropdown anomalies.

    I can view an A1 PDF plan and read the text without zooming in, which is great.

    So far using Revit is also better. For example, dimensioning walls is a lot easier, as I don't have to zoom in so close to make sure that I've selected wall intersection points etc. And just can read everything so much easier, and see more of the view at the same time.

    I am extremely happy with my choice.

    Obviously I can't say one way or another if I'd have been just as happy with a less expensive brand/model, but am more than satisfied with my investment. When you sit looking at a monitor for 8 hours plus each day, having a crisp screen makes a difference.

    Only thing now is that I really notice how dull my old monitor is! I think that I might be upgrading that in the near future.
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    Jealous. Suddenly my 2 27's feel small.

    Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

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