Some info on Detail Lines for comparison purposes

[TheBuchs]

I am in process of wrangling in company standards and if anyone has information or can point me to some good information that would be great.

• Specifically what I am looking for are comparisons on how much size or "weight" does detailing with Revit Lines add compared to using Detail Components? I am fully aware that this is a huge No-No, but I need to backup. I am in process of swapping out an extensive library to components, some ACAD to Revit, but also I still have those with their feet in the sand that continue with using linework to create details.
• I am utilizing Ideate Explorer (highly recommend for any Modeling Police out there) to find all line instances, etc. within the model. But, alas, that information only goes so far in trying to convince.
• How does linework being used in Detailing affect the saving process in projects?
• A huge problem I am having is the over-use of Detail & Array Groups. I am a patient man, but if you saw some issues I am up against you might convert to other platforms. :banghead:

Done rambling, any help is greatly appreciated.
GBuchs

[MPwuzhere]

Can't tag detail lines...might as well stick with autocad...

[DaveP]

Let's say you've got something simple, like 2 x 4 blocking - a rectangle with an X in the middle. 8 lines.
You can draw those 8 lines every time you need it:
Start Line command, Click, drag mouse, type 4", drag mouse, type 2", drag mouse, type 4", drag mouse, type 2"
Click opposite corner. Escape.
Start Line command again. click corner. click opposite corner. Escape to finish.
Every. Time. You. Need. It.
And that's assuming you remember to use the correct Line Style.
Then if you need to annotate it, start the Text command. click. type 2x4 BLOCKING
Then if it changes to 2x6, stretch it and (hopefully remember to) change the Text.

Or you can make a Detail Component:
Select. Place. Tag
Update later?
Select. Change Type. Done (and the Tag is updated automatically)

[TheBuchs]

Maybe I didn't clarify. Actually looking more at how using strictly Revit Linework to create Details affects model size and performance as compared to using Detail Components. Essentially, creating a Revit Detail completely out of Revit Lines. I have Users who would rather create a Filled Region of Gyp. Bd. (while adding line work over top of the F.R.) instead of the Gyp. Bd. Component., to which their response is I can do it this way faster (?????)

[TheBuchs]

Dave, how about this scenario? A user goes to create a Filled Region. They create the Filled Region using Invisible Lines. They then go in and draw 4 lines at a certain weight (say 4)...Instead of creating a Filled Region using pen weight 4 as their border. To make it more exciting, sometimes they create a Group out of it.

But back to my original post, is there documentation anywhere that specifies how much size is added to a model when all of your details are being created with standard Revit Lines?

I am in process of updating as much to Components as possible, and my cattle prod is on order....

GBuchs

[MPwuzhere]

Dave, how about this scenario? A user goes to create a Filled Region. They create the Filled Region using Invisible Lines. They then go in and draw 4 lines at a certain weight (say 4)...Instead of creating a Filled Region using pen weight 4 as their border. To make it more exciting, sometimes they create a Group out of it.

Wow...and that is so much faster.

Got your job cut out for you. Don't let them blame Revit when their model crashes.

Ask your users how long it will take to modify 20+ details from 3/4" gyp to 5/8" gyp...and the notes with it. Detail item.... Select all instances, change size, change ca

[sdbrownaia]

I'm not sure you will notice file performance issues between the two methods, but as everyone else has indicated you will notice project team performance issues. They need to be told, lovingly(send them here if needed) , that they are just wrong. Instant gratification is not the same as efficiency. They are being lazy and not wanting to learn, both of which if they worked for me and my company would lead toward there termination.

[TheBuchs]

That's what I'm talking about...

[jsnyder]

This may be an extreme example but I can say without doubt, at some point, the number of detail lines in a project will affect performance. I am embarrassed to admit how I know this.
We had a project that was performing poorly - very laggy display performance and data entry. In looking around I realized that someone had been creating the hatching for tile floor patterns by drawing and copying and trimming detail lines. Think about that for a moment...they didn't even use filled regions.

As a consequence, there were more than 150K detail lines in the project. After my eyes came back into focus, I spent 10 minutes showing them how to use surface patterns assigned to finish floor materials and then deleted all their detail lines. The project perked up immediately. I did not ask how long that person spent drawing all the crap, but they probably spent most the profit on that phase of the project for the interiors discipline. :banghead: