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    Coordination Review / Copy Monitor question

    Hello and thanks for answering my questions.

    I'm a structural engineer using R2017 and I have copied the concrete walls and also the grids from the architect using copy monitor.

    My question is can I do a one-click update when he makes changes to the walls?

    He sometimes makes 50 or more changes to the walls and this occurs every other day or so.

    I know about selecting multiple things at a time during the coordination review, but I would rather just click once and have everything change, no matter what. After all, I did COPY the walls and I will ALWAYS want every single change to be updated for my walls.

    Frankly I would want the changes to be automatic and maybe there could be highlights where the changes might interfere with what I am doing structurally.

    #2
    Short answer is yes you can accept multiple changes at one time. BUT- does your architect know that you are doing copy monitor?
    This is important because when he changes a wall, rather than delete it, and redraw it he needs to take the existing wall and modify it or move it to the new placement.

    Why does that matter? Because Revit has created a monitor based on the element ID. The element ID is a unique identifier for every single element in the model. If he deletes that element, and places a new one, it loses the element ID and you no longer have a link to that wall. What you will get is a message saying "element was deleted" when it should have just changed thickness, or material, or moved 30cm to the left. So it changes entirely how you work with your architect - your workflow needs to change in a shared model environment or you will end up just remonitoring walls every 3 days.

    In your coordination review, you should have a menu of items that changed. You can just click on "accept changes" but I suggest you at least have a look at what changed (for example if hes changed a load bearing 40cm thick reinforced wall to be 18cm masonry, you might want to reject the change...) but in general you can accept or reject (or reject with comments). This way you can reject his change, add a comment "wall is load bearing must remain in place, minimum thickness 30cm max 40cm) and the architect will get that message back and you can communicate in this fashion.

    You can export the coordination review to html and see it in a text format so you can just read through the changes quickly and highlight them as you go.

    No you can't make it "automatic" and I suggest as a structural engineer this would be a bad idea anyhow, you want to verify the changes have no impact on your design....this might depend on how well you know your architect. But you can certainly select everything in the window and "accept changes" in one go if you wish to, its fairly quick and lets you keep control of your design.

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      #3
      Thanks that was a great answer.

      How it works with my situation is that I communicate on the phone and through email all day long with him and I basically tell him all the changes to make that way. Then he models everything according to his stuff and what I have said. So it seems like Revit should know that IF I am copying the walls in the first place...then I want them to be updated so that I can FIND any discrepancies etc.

      It's like this: If I didn't copy / monitor his walls, I would at least use them in the linked model, and the changes would be automatic once I reload the new model anyway. So why all the fuss?

      I think the issue I usually have is that I use Revit in place of AutoCAD. I don't care about 90% of the features it has and with almost everything I do, it feels like Revit doesn't know how construction actually works. I don't know how many times I struggle to get a beam modeled right, when there is only one logical way it could go. Often times it does something completely comical as the default and I have to force it to observe not only construction standards, but the laws of gravity. I suppose there are dozens of tricks I still need to learn until I completely understand.

      But thank you for the answer, that gave me some great insight.

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        #4
        Revit can be tricky at the start for sure, what it really takes is someone that can make those families for you that do what you need. The out of the box elements in some cases are not ideal. Beams are a good example of Something that just doesn't really work as you would think it should. Like getting it to notch into a wall is...a royal PITA. But most of these issues come to down to user knowledge with the software. I'm not sure on your business size, but look at recruiting a revit modeler and preferably someone that is good at family creation, and building you a working Template.

        The main thing with revit, is a working Template. This will solve 95% of your nightmares. This means view over rides that you can just automatically apply for documentation. 3D Elements that you need from project to project that work as you expect them to. Legends, standardised text sizes and formats etc etc. This is Something you should invest in, either find an external consultant that can set you up to your office standard or hire someone in that can do it in house. I suggest hiring someone outside it might seem expensive as an outlay but you will get a faster ROI (as long as you get someone competant to do it) Go through someone with an Autodesk certification in revit structure is your best bet. Either an Autodesk Certified Professional, or Specialist.

        I will go into more detail for you regarding working with an architect and workflow using revit when I have time to sit and type later.

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