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    Stacked Walls inside Curtain Wall

    Dear everyone,

    This is my first post, but I have actually lurked in this forum for some time after creating an account. I was wondering if anyone has encountered the similar challenges I've gone through in this Revit file.

    There are many issues regarding the curtain wall [CW] joins and fixes I could learn, but having looked around the search engine and various Revit-related forums, there weren't any post or thread that highlighted the problem I've encountered here.

    There are not one or two, but four and five problems I've had to deal with the CW. Right now in this post I want to focus on inserting stacked wall [SW] inside the CW.

    The first one I have to deal with is how to insert SW segments inside the curtain wall. Has anyone done this before? When I replaced system glazing panels with these SWs (in separate top and bottom parts), they were off by few inches forward and downwards. To align them with the actual SWs next to them, I had to modify the lower wall segment's structure by unlocking the base and top wall boundaries. After finding that didn't fix the sweeps entirely, I turned these lower segments into parts, which opened a can of worms. Yes the alignments were made, but but that turned a wall into several parts.

    I intended to follow the design based on this illustration. It turned out that making this would be one hectic task. Doing this in in-place was not an option for this part.





    RVT file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wajueiqdfr...Walls.rvt?dl=0


    Of course, I have to deal with mullions as well as wall joins.

    Best regards,
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    #2
    Why do you think you need to put a stacked wall inside of a curtain wall for this example?

    I would model 3 walls; the base, the solid above, and the curtain wall automatically cutting the walls.


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      #3
      Hi there!

      Welcome! Yes, you have a fairly complex system there, but it is entirely do-able to look exactly as you have sketched it. You have a couple of options:
      1) You could do it as Greg mentioned above, modeling each piece of the wall separately with the curtain wall to cut through them.
      2) You could draw your stacked wall along and embed a curtain wall into it--instead of inserting stacked wall panels into a curtain wall. This is how I typically model it and it works seamlessly!
      To do that:
      -- Sketch your host wall (that will be your stacked wall)
      -- Click wall and select your curtain wall of choice. Then, select edit type, and make sure that you have checked the tick box for "Automatically Embed"
      --Set your offsets and such in the instance properties
      -- Draw the curtain wall into place and add whatever mullions and such that you need.

      If you get stuck, feel free to message me and I'll be glad to help.

      Best of luck!

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        #4
        Well, I think the OP will have to break the CW up in to three pieces, to do it Greg way. It's a curved CW, it isn't going to let them edit the profile to lower the jambs of the doors to the ground.

        I would still do that long before trying to shove SW's in CW's, for sure. Jutlst clarifying it'll be 5 walls total.
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          #5
          Thanks everyone for rapid responses!

          GMcDowellJR: Yes I did that originally at first, but I couldn't create the whole CW (as a single piece) into the SW and edit the individual panel profile separately. No option to edit in-place was available for each CW panel. Also, making a wall and using Wall Opening (Modify | Walls tab) didn't give me what I wanted as doing so drastically changed further from the original design as shown in the illustration.

          But all of you did raise a good point about separating CWs. So what I did was divide these walls not into three (or five), but six wall segments. I had to separate a host SW into three (left, center top as stand-alone segment, right), and the CW into three: left three panels, center CW for door, and a right panel.

          So that's one problem down, but another takes place. How do I clean join the gaps between these CW mullions? I know that using Quad/L-Shaped/Trapezoid works well on 45/90 degrees miter/butt join, but I really have no clue here. The joints don't come as clean in the way I wanted. Do I have to use in-place wall sweeps to disguise them as mullions? Any other alternatives?



          The curved wall (as of now)


          Just a test: left CW-Door join uses Quad mullion, right CW-Door join uses L-shaped Mullion.




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            #6
            delete the extraneous jambs would be the first thing I would try. No double jambs, no joint
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