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    Cuttable Category Confusion

    So I'm confused, casework is meant to be a cuttable category right? Well it isn't working for me - unless I'm missing something, or changes were made to their VG behaviour in releases after 2008 (the only version I have access to at the moment at home).

    Attached is a model I've been testing with, that features quick test families made straight from their respective templates of casework, furniture and generic models. As you'll see, (if you open it) when placed directly, only generic model (both shared and unshared versions) are cut by the plan region, which aligns to THIS - but they only cut when nested (in a casework host family here) if they are shared.

    The thing I don't get is how this common suggested "workaround" can be followed through in a practical workflow - having to use a "container" family for scheduling seems a bit unwiedly - moreso when you realise you can't associate parameters (for said schedules) between the host casework/furniture family because the nested generic model is/has to be shared for the plan regions to work!?!! :banghead:

    Anyone found a nicer workflow for detailing furniture/casework elements?
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    #2
    Snowy,

    I've encountered this problem too. They cut perfectly in Section view, not in Plan view.
    My workflow for detailing Casework is:

    - Live section annotation
    - Plan View Annotation through Symbolic Lines (only visible when cut in Plan / RCP. All 3D not visible when cut in Plan / RCP). For one client I once set up a workflow using different sets of (nested) symbolic families for different Cut Planes. But they actually did interior designing stuff for stores, dentists and stuff. A lot of standard casework which got reused a LOT so it justified the effort (and extra collaboration to keep those symbolic families up-to-date too.
    Last edited by mdradvies; July 17, 2011, 11:21 PM.
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      #3
      Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
      I've encountered this problem too. They cut perfectly in Section view, not in Plan view.
      I know! What a nonsense! :banghead:

      Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
      - Plan View Annotation through Symbolic Lines
      <Shudder> Symbolic lines? Really? And here I was hoping to see our Interiors team start thinking & working up their cabinetry detailing in 3D.

      That said, given their late arrival to the Revit workflow, it might suffice, after all the modelled LOD in the early days will be pretty low - so a more "traditional" 2D drafting approach might suit them better to start.

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        #4
        Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
        I know! What a nonsense! :banghead:

        <Shudder> Symbolic lines? Really? And here I was hoping to see our Interiors team start thinking & working up their cabinetry detailing in 3D.

        That said, given their late arrival to the Revit workflow, it might suffice, after all the modelled LOD in the early days will be pretty low - so a more "traditional" 2D drafting approach might suit them better to start.
        Don't get me wrong: the entire casework family is done in 3D. That particular client has cabinets with swappable drawer sliding thingies in 3D. But it's not possible (yet) to do Plan View detailing with live views. So I took the original cabinet, deleted the geometry, put in symbolic lines with all parameters, imported in the original and linked all parameters throug. Only visible through a view filter "plan view detailing" which controls the visibility of the symbolic lines Object Style.

        Seems a bit redundant to do both but there were two reasons:

        - We hope that one day (in a galaxy far far away) the Casework category is also cuttable in Plan View. It's easy to rip out all the 2D garbage then.
        - They also do a lot of 3D Section Views to show the detailed geometry (and now do most detailing in 3D)
        Once it is possible to do with Casework (I really hated the Gen Mod workaround, for scheduling purposes) I'll be the first to strip them.

        Come to think of it: it does work using a 3D view with section box. Isn't that an option? There was an Addin floating around some time ago which let you control the size of your section box numerically, you could use that.
        Last edited by mdradvies; July 18, 2011, 09:11 AM.
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          #5
          Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
          I know! What a nonsense! :banghead:...
          Tell that to the Revit Team. Been that way since before I can remember. This function enables Revit to display casework and furniture above the cut plane like wall cabinets. Which is handy for most floor plans. Not so much for detailing. If casework happen to become cuttable, it wouldn't break my heart too much except for the fact that I'd have to go back and add something to the wall cabinets to make them reappear in my plans.

          Why not make a section of a section? Doesn't help with furniture though. :banghead:
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            #6
            After two days with our Interior's lead, we feel going the nested shared generic model route will suit us best for principle (count) scheduling of furniture & casework families - we'll employ a multi-category schedule when we need to get at the deeper level of shared parameters of the nested generics.

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              #7
              Is it still the case the that Casework will not cut in plan?

              Post 2 in this thread Casework details in plan - Autodesk Community indicates that you can, but I don't see this behaviour.

              Generic Models will cut, but not my Casework. Is there any news on this topic please?

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                #8
                Solved (I hope): In all my Casework families, the Plan View > View Range > Cut Plane > Offset was set to 3000 or higher. Adjusting this down to a more normal 1300mm allows the family to be cut in the project environment.

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