2D CAD vs. BIM ? Where are you ?

[Munkholm]

On a scale of 1 - 10 where 1 is 2D CAD and 10 is full BIM collation and communication of model-based data, where are you?

[mdradvies]

Well, this is kind of tricky. I'm self employed. My projects are:
a. 10 > in my own projects, everything is linked. I do design, structural analysis, MEP, checking building codes, etc. All in one file. But there is no real collaboration (although I use linked models when necessary and revise using Navisworks)
b. 0 > I work for architects still using dwg. I import these in Revit, do my thing on checking building codes and structural analysis and report back using dwg's. No collaboration.
c. Consulting on BIM in which case I advice companies on implementing this, varying from option b to option a. Mostly starts out somewhere in the range of option b and my work is done when we reach option a...

So, what to enter here?

[dzatto]

It's hard to say for me as well. I'm the only designer here. And everything is based on typical sets of plans, although I'm trying to get away from that for obvious reasons. The problem is, the owner expects a full set of plans in a day or two. Not even possible. I'm trying to break him of that. I still have some plans on ACAD, but most are in ACA, full 3D (as much as ACA can do).

All new projects are going to be in Revit eventually, but I'm not sure I'll ever be full BIM. I don't do cost estimates or anything in Revit. I just put out plans to permit and build by. So what's that, a 7 or so?? lol

[Ian.Kidston]

I voted 10 because I will pay anyone, any amount of money so that I NEVER have to open AutoCad again.
It's kinda funny that Autodesk gives it to me free (like a surprise toy in the breakfast cereal :laugh and from one year to the next I only open it to clean up the land surveyors drawings before linking to the model.

That said, I don't use ANYWHERE near the full BIM capacity of Revit and am always surprised by the great stuff thats in the program. So I guess whilst I am a 10 in the software use within revit itself, I am probably around the 6 or 7.

[Gordon Price]

Hmm. Is 10 the maximum of what Revit can do NOW? Or is 10 what BIM could be, but isn't yet?
Assuming the former, my office is about a 6. We don't work in cad anymore. But some folks still think in cad, and we still have some graphic standards that are hobbled by that thinking. But we are also modeling more, working more with Revit based consultants, etc.

If the latter, then I would argue Revit is only capable of supporting about a 7, and that would put us at 3.75 or so.

Gordon

[Ian.Kidston]

Hmm. Is 10 the maximum of what Revit can do NOW? Or is 10 what BIM could be, but isn't yet?
Assuming the former, my office is about a 6. We don't work in cad anymore. But some folks still think in cad, and we still have some graphic standards that are hobbled by that thinking. But we are also modeling more, working more with Revit based consultants, etc.

If the latter, then I would argue Revit is only capable of supporting about a 7, and that would put us at 3.75 or so.

Gordon

OK so it's not the first time I have grossy over estimated my abilities ... I had better go off and :hide: now.

If Gordon is rating himself at 3.75, damm, I am still at 1

[Dave Jones]

I selected 5. I am still forced to do work in AutoCAD because for some projects my customers will not pay what I need to make to do the jobs with Revit and they don't understand the advantage they get from a Revit model. As my Revit proficiency increases the difference in cost between work being done in the two programs will get closer together and hopefully someday it will be more cost effective for me to do the work with Revit. That's my goal in life right now...

[JCM]

I've found that for some customers that are not willing to pay for revit services, I still do the stuff in revit which saves me a ton of time and end up exporting to cad format if they need it or simply submit pdfs. I still bill for the cad equivalent in terms of time so it's not that bad. Although mind you I do small home renovations most of the time. Not really sure how it would work out with a new shopping center for example

[Chadwick17]

...It's kinda funny that Autodesk gives it to me free...

You mean they give you Revit free with your AutoCAD right?

I'd say I'm around a 4 - there's just so much about BIM that we aren't even touching right now...

[gdoherty0102]

I would say nobody is at a 10 in BIM...Someone said is it just the capabilities of what Revit can do in BIM...but Revit is only a small piece of BIM, there are probably 20 or so piece to BIM and Revit is just one of them...