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Thread: Revizto vs BIM Track... thoughts?

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    Revizto vs BIM Track... thoughts?

    Has anyone here used both? Does one have a clear advantage over the other?
    Which is your preference, and why?

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    Ive used both.

    I think they do some things that are similar, but then they do other things very different.

    Backstory:

    I originally started using Revizto when it first came out. My intent with it was to use it strictly as a presentation/navigation/project-review tool, since it offered WASD walkarounds, in models. It was great for this, and there wasnt anything else (besides custom solutions) really doing it (Enscape wasnt really around yet, or if it was, it wasnt very widely known).

    A short while later, enscape was out for realtime walkthroughs. I was still using Revizto, as it was much easier on the GPU (it wasnt rendering in real time, since it was an export), and the company i was at had lesser-than GPU's.

    Revizto starting gaining a lot of new features and functionality related to Project Coordination (marking up sheets (if you exported sheets), measuring, issue tracking, etc). At the TIME, i wasnt looking for a coordination tool, so that was less appealing to me (personally), although it worked great. The Export Time was a big drawback for me, as my models tend to be very large, and the sheer amount of time needed to export models and all their sheets, basically meant i didnt have time to ever export, even with spare machines.

    Somewhere in there, when i started Parallax Team, we suddenly had GPU's that could handle our models in Enscape. So, (in terms of my ORIGINAL need of walkaround and presentation modes), that was the decision maker. I didnt have to export anything, or bake in lights, and i could just walk around in real time. (Again, at this point, i wasnt looking for a coordination tool at all).

    Then i started doing Modeling-For-Construction projects where i DID want to track issues. I didnt/dont need the other functionality like drawing markup, model export, etc. I simply want to track issues, and comments, and task responsibility, and so on. The selling points (for me only) about BIMTrack was that i dont have to export the model at all, i dont have to leave the application at all (i just use it in Revit, or Navis), and then the other parties access it through the webpage.

    To be clear, Revizto and BIMTrack probably both do the tasks that are important to me. But the absolutely simple UI/workflow is why WHEN i needed a coordination tracking tool, i went with BIMTrack.

    I dont love either products Licensing Model / Hub Model, and they both know that. But it is what it is, and its a relatively low cost for what we use it for. Any task that i do that requires exporting the model to another platform, the export tool has to be insanely fast (less than minutes). Thats why im still okay exporting to Navis (results are way better than appending RVT). Its fast.

    I also dont believe one tool has to do the entire job. When we are doing Design Reconciliation Projects, our workflow is:

    1. Models are in Revit (typically on BIM360, because parties are in multiple locations)
    2. PDF's are in Bluebeam Studio (where we mark them up as we model the project)
    3. RFI's / Issues are in BIMTrack (at the GC's discretion they either go ONLY to the GC, or directly to the Design Team)
    4. Actual Coordination is in Navisworks, which is also tied to BIMTrack.
    5. Fun walkaround presentations are still in Enscape.

    So, i think it depends on what features you want, and what you want to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Ive used both.
    When we are doing Design Reconciliation Projects, our workflow is:

    1. Models are in Revit (typically on BIM360, because parties are in multiple locations)
    2. PDF's are in Bluebeam Studio (where we mark them up as we model the project)
    3. RFI's / Issues are in BIMTrack (at the GC's discretion they either go ONLY to the GC, or directly to the Design Team)
    4. Actual Coordination is in Navisworks, which is also tied to BIMTrack.
    5. Fun walkaround presentations are still in Enscape.
    This is pretty much the workflow we are looking at right now.
    We are trying to amplify/streamline our model coordination proccess. We had just used Navisworks in the past. But the amount of effort needed to sort through the base clashes generated through creating reports for review by the design team - seems a bit unneccesary. If its hapening bi-weekly, those hours add up, and if there was a way to review clashes by area, and not by randomly generated numbers - popping all over the place, i would greatly prefer it.

    I just tested out the Sherlock (super simple easy user interface) and BIM42's Group Clashes (more control, yet not as useful) plugins as well as iConstruct (not very user-friendly, though very powerful).

    One of our PMs wanted to review clashes in a room by room basis, rather than by closest column grid intersection, and none of the tools i had been looking at could do that - but BIMTrack seemed like it could. That said, i just came from a 3 day class, where people were singing the praises of Revizto - so I was curious if anyone out there had used both.

    Thank you for your thorough response earlier - I really appreciate it, and if you have any other thoughts on the topic - my ears are always open to your advice!

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    Well, it sounds like (to me) what you are more focused on is the Navis Clash Grouping functionality, yes?

    To clarify, thats not what i mean by *coordination,* in terms of: We build models from the documents, and when there are conflicts to *coordinte* we issue RFI's. Thats what i use BIMTrack for.

    I know there are a bunch of tools that auto-group clashes, but i also know that the "preferred method of grouping" is a personal choice, for a lot of 3D Coordination experts, lol. I am NOT the expert actually DOING the 3D Coordination, so i would defer to any experts in that arena about which clash groupers they like the best.

    Ive used BIM42's, and BIMTracks. Ive seen iConstructs, as well. There were a few vendors at AU that had some custom ones, as well. But i dont recall all of their names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Well, it sounds like (to me) what you are more focused on is the Navis Clash Grouping functionality, yes?
    Yeah - I suppose that is true - i was just thinking that if you ran a simple clash grouper based on proximity (like what BIM42's Group Clashes tool can do) you could load them all into BIMTrack, and then navigate the model, while seeing all of the clashes (as issues) in any given area, regardless of which "clash group" they belong to.

    I'll probably reach out to someone from there and talk through the workflow more. It may be way more robust of a program than i need for the uses i want to have - but at the price i am seeing, and if it has a very accessible easy to use interface/workflow, it may still make the most sense.

    Again - thanks Aaron.
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