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    Post Jason Grant: Love Passionate Readers: SketchUp Love/Hate

    I posted a topic last week on "One Thing In SketchUp That Is Not In Revit" I got a few responses and I wanted to specify one thing in response, I am a proponent of Revit and BIM, not SketchUp and would like to break the addition work and wasted time that a dual Revit/SketchUp process creates. Full city blocks being created in SketchUp for early visualization and then the question of why it cannot be used in Revit drives me nuts. It is the little things that hold back a user and gives them a reason not to do it all in Revit. That is what I was trying to convey, one of the little things that hurts the process. I have changed the opinion of many for why going all-in with Revit is a much better process, it is the last 5% that are the hardest. Revit is an awesome documentation tool but it is the presentation abilities that I have been passionate about recently and trying to push users to understand. What is the limit of Revit? We don't know if we don't push...
    I got an awesome reply from Brendan that I had to share:
    Having worked in both Revit and Sketchup, the point made is valid.
    However, as the title of the topic says, this is just ONE THING.
    Sketchup is not capable of Building Information Modelling (BIM) and is not set up as a documentation tool.
    Revit, when used correctly, should be a database for schedules and registers. At the very least, door and window schedules can be created based on the model information.
    The Revit model, when done correctly, can also be loaded into estimating packages such as cost-X for cost programming and planning for construction.
    Architectural sections and details can also be created once the model is created. In my experiences, this is difficult with Sketchup as the tool creates faces and not elements.
    The benefits of rendering and fly-though presentation is, at best, an interesting sideline but not really what Revit is intended for and to pull it up and compare on this one point is not giving the software package its' due credit.
    I feel that as an Architect AND a builder, BIM based software saves on the double handling of documentation in one software package and then having to redo in another to complete the task.
    If all you want to do is create an image or a fly-through, then sketchup will handle the job. If you want what you have designed to be built, then do the full job in a dedicated software package capable of delivering, such as Revit.
    Thanks Brendan and keep pushing the efficiencies of BIM!

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    I am always trying to persuade our Sketchup users to begin the design process in Revit. There is a perception that all modeling can be done faster in Sketchup. When I show Sketchup users how easy it is to create a complex hip roof in Revit, you can see the amazement in their eyes.

    However as mentioned, there are areas (particularly for schematic presentations) where Sketchup is vastly superior to Revit. Sketchup's 2D entourage that always face the camera is such a simple yet powerful idea. Revit absolutely needs this feature. Also, Sketchup's sketchy line styles are fabulous for early presentations. In addition, the way Sketchup creates automatic walkthroughs between "Scenes" is superb. Last but not least, designers like to work in perspective. Revit's default Axon view is simply not as useful as Sketchup's default perspective view. These features and others account for why designers are loath to give up Sketchup. Until Revit incorporates some of Sketchup’s best features I am afraid that our design process is likely to remain split between Sketchup and Revit.
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    I found it interesting a few years ago that Sketch Up needed to provide for stylistic customization. They were getting complaints that using Sketch Up's "napkin sketch" looked like everybody else's napkin sketch, thus making nobody's presentation look "better" (or different enough) than another (if you ignore the design itself). So the sketchiness of SU didn't provide for enough "stylistic" individuality. Revit will end up going down this road too, if/when it provides for more sketchy presentation options, unless they plan for it from the outset.

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    Scott and Steve - I will have a session at AU2011 on Presentation Graphics in Revit in which I will show how Revit can not only get similar but even better control than SketchUp. RTC attendees at Huntington Beach loved it... hope to see you in the audience at AU.

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