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    Hi there.

    I have just started using all-in-one revit families. A problem that I am having with them is that in the properties box when the all-in-one revit family is selected only one icon displays for the family! I would like there to be an icon for each type, as each type has a different appearance. I have looked to addins like tools4revit Smart Browser and Kiwi Codes family browser but this problem remains.

    How are others using revit all-in-one families getting around this problem?

    Thanks I have attached an image to explain,
    Craig

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    Thats just how Revit works, there is no getting around it.

    But ill throw my PERSONAL two cents in, even though its not worth much more than that: Id stop using those families. For a number of other reasons.

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    Hi Crag.

    In the 1 1/2 years that Family Browser has been out we would have had 1/2 dozen requests like yours. There is no automatic way that we can do this through the API as as Aaron mentions that is the way that Revit works. We could however use our custom icon tool to work for this but are unsure of how big an issue it really is?

    I have a feeling when revit was developed that the idea of types was meant for Dimensional variation on the family, not totally different family apearance. I may be wrong.

    Anyway let me know if this is a real big issue for you and I might look at it again.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiCodes View Post
    Hi Crag.

    I have a feeling when revit was developed that the idea of types was meant for Dimensional variation on the family, not totally different family apearance. I may be wrong.

    Phillip
    You can kind of tell it was never really meant to make completely different things in one family, and i support that. The ALl in ones add very little value for the amount of complexity they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Thats just how Revit works, there is no getting around it.

    But ill throw my PERSONAL two cents in, even though its not worth much more than that: Id stop using those families. For a number of other reasons.
    Thanks Aaron, I have just made a substantial investment into the all-in-one content, all from the same source so its to late now to turn back! Here in South Africa we have a major issue with content for Revit so I see these families as great platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiCodes View Post
    Hi Crag.

    In the 1 1/2 years that Family Browser has been out we would have had 1/2 dozen requests like yours. There is no automatic way that we can do this through the API as as Aaron mentions that is the way that Revit works. We could however use our custom icon tool to work for this but are unsure of how big an issue it really is?

    I have a feeling when revit was developed that the idea of types was meant for Dimensional variation on the family, not totally different family apearance. I may be wrong.

    Anyway let me know if this is a real big issue for you and I might look at it again.

    Cheers

    Phillip
    Thanks Phillip for your responses. I am not sure how popular revit all-in-one content is worldwide, but I am sure that if you came up with a solution others like me would then buy into Kiwi Codes just for that feature alone. I was asked by a client of mine about this exact problem, so that's two more people to add to your 1/2 dozen.

    Craig

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    Just to throw an idea out there!

    Maybe for revit all-in-one families we need to approach the accessing of families in a different way. I hate to say it but maybe I need to go back to the autocad way of accessing blocks, whereby all the office cad blocks are in one file all laid out nicely and all you need to do is copy and paste the block into the project file. In revit we could have all the families and family types laid out in one file and then just copy and paste them into the project I need them in...

    Thanks look forward to hearing your thoughts,
    Craig
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    I had bought several of the All in One families some time back (before I started seriously making my own), the only one I still uses is the elevator as I am too lazy to create my own family for what is only a very occasional use. I stopped using them for a whole host of reasons - complexity being one of them, but also I found they had a huge drag on performance.

    I am sure you will have read it here before, but,with very few exceptions, imho the best way is to bite the bullet on the family editor and create what you need in house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Howie View Post
    Just to throw an idea out there!]
    I've used this method for a while, even in unison with family browser (when I worked at an office that had it) - and it works well - especially with system families (walls, floors, ceilings, railings, etc) - which is why Autodesk includes them as part of the OOTB library. Component families get a bit more interesting, as you end up with quite a lot to look through (especially if you use lots of different manufacturers in your work) - but I've got an idea of my own for that... that I'm not quite ready to share that I'm afraid.

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    I find the all-in-one stuff to be absolutely stellar as a learning tool. You can really dig in and see what is possible, and also get a feel for what pushing complexity too far looks like. So while I think every BIM Manager and Content Creater would be well served picking up one or two of these families, I would strongly suggest not using them on projects. Mostly because the moment you need something that an all-in-one family doesn't do, your chances of modifying that family are effectively zero. And that will happen. Often.

    With regards to the myriad families you end up with using more of a "types are for sizes" approach, I think there are various methods that can work, depending on the office. I have sub folders under the main headings like plumbing, for specific manufacturers. All my "generic" stuff lives in the main folder, one click closer to use. Another approach is sub folders by building type, so maybe Residential, Commercial, Healthcare, etc. and I never store the OOTB Revit content with the office content. I set up Revit to go straight to office content, and then down at the bottom of the folder list is a shortcut called x OOTB Library. That takes you to the shared OOTB library if you really need it. And I am of the opinion that one's goal should be to remove that link and never use (or need) OOTB content as soon as is reasonably possible. 2-3 years seems like a reasonable goal.

    And of course Family Browser trumps any folder based kludge.

    Gordon

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