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    Details with 2 views

    How do you guys handle details that have a plan and side view? The way I see it, I have 3 choices:

    A. Use a callout in plan view and another one is an elevation (or section) and create 2 separate live views to detail. Then I guess I'll place them on a sheet next to each other.

    B. Use a callout in either plan OR elevations, creating 1 live sections and model the other view next to it using detail components.

    C. Just do a drafting view and use detail components for the whole thing.

    I don't really like option C because live views do a lot of the drafting for you.
    I'm leaning toward option B, unless there's another way I don't know about.

    Anyone care to enlighten me? Who knows, you may just win post of the month for February.

    EDIT: Just realized something else. If I don't use a live view for the elevation of the detail, I can't use my elevation symbols. Bummer. Is making 2 separate details the right thing to do?

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    Personally, I would do two separate views. For instance, we had a project recently that had very specific window jamb/sill conditions. Some with a limestone surround, some with brick, some with other stone, etc. The brick jamb conditions terminated into the sill in a way that was best shown in 3D. So we had a 3D view of the windows next to each set of window details. Not having live views would run the danger of one updating and the other remaining stagnant...my 2 cents...

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    That makes sense. I'm guess I'm still used to ACA. I didn't have to worry about this then. lol
    I can definately do two views, and I like the fact they are both live. The one thing I hate about learning new software is that I'm not 100% sure of which way to do things. I like knowing how to do it before I start. lol

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    Definately 2 live views...
    In my book, it's just plain dumb to make a view not a live one. Except when you have standard details which you are sure will NEVER change. That's the only reason to do so... Otherwise, use the live views. That's the whole idea...

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    Well, these are standard details the won't change. Most of my buildings are typical with mostly aesthetic changes. Structural doesn't change much. I'm going to go with the live views for now. Even if I could do it with a drafting view, this is good training. Thanks guys.

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    Are you talking about creating a plan detail and having the marker for it show up as both a callout bubble in the plan and as a detail cut marker in the elevation/section?

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    The workflow I use for structural drawings is as follows

    1:20 details are called up in plan, these are generally concrete so are 99% sections but may sometimes be callouts

    1:10 details are called up from sections and elevations where possible (99% of the time) this means a set of arrangement sections (1:100/1:50) are created at each frame location, this may create more details than traditionally created in a 2D workflow, but the model can create these sections automatically so why not, this leaves the plan more clear from callouts and limits it to areas I dont need a general arrangement section, which would typically be at one off corner details of a frame that doesnt require elevations/frame sections

    I then try to take callouts from the sections or elevations to setup the 1:10 views, but use sections/views where required, they do look better as callouts IMO, from the 1:10 callout, I will take a plan view with a separate detail view type which is specific to the 1:10 details, this view type is only used when taking a detail from a detail.

    For the naming I try to tie it all back together, from plan a roof frame section may be denoted as Section 100, the callout at a connection may then be 100A, any view from within the 1:10 detail (100A) will be denoted with a additional letter, I.e. 100AX, 100AY, typically you shouldnt need more than 3 views from the 1:10 detail

    See below for a example snapshot

    Details with 2 views-stair-details.jpg

    More from a structural approach, but I think it can be applied on any set of docs

    Another thing I often add is a 3D isometric in hidden line view to accompany the 1:10 details, we cant tag in 3D so I try not to add specific notes in the 3D view related to the model elements, but it certainly adds to the 1:10 2D details, particularly if you have modelled the connections, but even if you just have the general arrangement of the elements in 3D it can still be useful at at larger scale

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    Wow, I've got a lot to learn about Revit. lol
    I think I follow what you are doing. Basically, cutting a section in plan, then doing callouts of the section for more detailed areas.

    See attached. Some of my details I'll do in an orthographic view. If I'm showing plan, top, and right side; how do I call it out? I've always just used a callout bubble in elevation, but with a leader that points to the area in question (in ACA). Of course, revit doesn't let you do that so I've had to fudge it a little. The attached detail is a drafting view. The elevation is a live elevation, with DC's for the studs.

    In reply to Ross, sort of. I know I can use a callout or section and refer to another view. Actually, that may be the way to do it. Just show an orthographic view, and use a callout and section marker. I just don't like the look, for example, of a callout bubble circling the entire area when it's a big area. It looks cluttered to me.
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    Last edited by dzatto; February 8th, 2011 at 02:26 PM.

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    You are probably already using them, but dont forget you can use Referencing Sections/Details to show a section mark or callout that just links to the detail. For something like you are doing here, it can be useful to link straight to a drafting view if it literally is a typical detail, but it can also be useful when you want to show a section with a slightly different position to the cut plane (good for high level details that you still want to show a referencing mark)

    But if you are going for a live model approach, the best workflow to incorparate standards here is to use the "Insert 2D elements from file" you can then build a file which can contain 2D annotation that you can insert into your live model details which then can be massaged into place. Once you have a good set of detail components plugged in, you can detail live sections quickly with this approach

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    Well, the reason I asked is because Revit is a little weird about how it references views sometimes. For example, if you create a callout in a plan view, and then go to an elevation view, you won't see a detail marker indicating where that callout is. However, if you do it in the reverse order, i.e. cut your plan detail in an elevation view first, then a callout will show up in the plan (as long as it's within the below the cut plane). I assumed that's what you were trying to do.

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