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    Design Options in Rvtlinks & Schedules

    OK Everybody, this is my first post, and confess I am pretty new to Revit, but not new to CAD. Just putting that out there.

    I have been having great success with design options for Rvtlinks for multi-family. .

    I have created different UNIT files, which include design options for each unit. There is a UNIT Sheet (like a room specification sheet) which has dedicated views for each design option per unit.

    I am linking the units into BLDG files, and using the custom view setting to control the visibility of the design options for each Rvtlink.

    The BLDGs, then go onto the SITE, and from there I am scheduling the units in total for the project.

    Here goes the ask .

    I want to:

    1. Control visibility of design options for Rvtlink with on/off parameters - (in the BLDG file)

    2. Schedule Rvtlink’s to display the status of design options with the same parameters - (in the SITE file)

    3. The final, I should also be able to pull tiny schedules back into each Unit file (insert schedule from file), which lists the units for each design option, and place that schedule directly under the dedicated view for each of the specific design options. - (in the UNIT file)

    Any takers?

    With gratitude,
    Bryce

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    1. Go to the links tab in your VG settings, select the appropriate link, change settings to custom, go to Design options tab and set the correct DO. You will need to do this for every new DO view. Use view templates to control multiple views.
    2. Same as above but working in a schedule view, set desired DO.
    Also need to check "include links' on the fields tab to include those elements from any links in your schedule.
    3. Copy your schedules into your unit files, possibly will need to modify to suit, Or make a new generic unit schedule and copy that around.

    Honestly though, you're likely to get better results by using groups inside the building file. There's been plenty of discussion of links vs groups over the years at RFO. Current consensus leans more towards groups for many.

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    With thanks Elton, I have been reviewing multiple threads on the topics, and not wanting to make this another round of why and why not use either.

    1. I have already created multiple buildings, using three unit types; each having multiple design option groups, to create endwall units, upper/lower floor, and they are already set in the building file with their respective design options set within VG.
    2. I am not wanting to schedule elements specific to a particular design option. I want to schedule which design options are being displayed, per Rvtlink, for all buildings in the project.

    My question is specific to parameters, and if anyone has had success incorporating design options within schedules, with on/off functionality.

    3. I do see that trying to push the SITE schedule information into the UNIT was the wrong approach as it only places the schedule and not the content.

    Additionally, I would think that since the dedicated views are created, and on a sheet, that a schedule listing the Rvtlinks' design options could also include the detail associated to the design option.
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    Hey Bryce-

    Just an FYI- performance in the Building File will be nasty during documentation, setting it up this way. As someone who's done a LOT of multi family using all of the different approaches (links for units. Links for floor plates, links with design options, groups for units, groups for floor plates), the only method I recommend multi family design firms use is:

    Groups for units.

    There are a number of threads on the downsides of links here, that you can search for.

    Edit: sorry. I didn't realize you're the same person I was just emailing about this. So you already knew what I would say, haha. Sorry to repeat myself unprompted. I'm on a phone, so I don't tend to check who is posting, when I'm on a phone.

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    Thanks Aaron, yes same guy . .

    Also, to note, the reason I am taking this approach is . . . I am not planning to plot all sheets from the same file .. gasp!

    The buildings are very repetitive in nature, and so creating individual building sets seems like a better approach, and so resources will be much less an issue.

    Site will have site stuff, each building will have it's stuff, and the units will play a small part as well.

    As I mentioned, I am pretty plainly asking if anyone has had any luck or experience with scheduling design option parameters within Rvtlinks.

    Kindly,
    Bryce

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogueryder

    1. Control visibility of design options for Rvtlink with on/off parameters - (in the BLDG file)
    Not really. Because every *view* can potentially show any unit/design option. There is no "global state of a links design option," except for "Main model" which shows the Primary Option. In short, every view is a possibility to see different design options, and it is just a view setting. The building model itself isnt even really aware things in the *model* if you will, are changing.

    2. Schedule Rvtlink’s to display the status of design options with the same parameters - (in the SITE file)
    Not only can you not do this (if im understanding question 2 correctly), Im a bit foggy on if you can even "Building" to show correctly, automatically, at all, without the intervention of a forceful View Template. Meaning, "Building" doesnt have a locked down state. Building has tons of options, and as far as Site is concerned, the default for EVERY option is *primary,* not an overall state that has been set for Building.

    Especially with the links set to Attachment (only way they are showing in Site). If they are Overlays, then you technically have to link unit by unit back in to Site, and then set up a similar View Template in Site that controls each Design Option.

    Either way, Design Option Status is a view setting, not a setting for a linked model to have applied overall.

    I guess *in theory*, you could ask Dynamo to interrogate a single view of the Linked MOdel, where you are declaring "Linked Files Design options are set" and report it in a dummy schedule of some sort, but thats about as close as youll get, i imagine.

    3. The final, I should also be able to pull tiny schedules back into each Unit file (insert schedule from file), which lists the units for each design option, and place that schedule directly under the dedicated view for each of the specific design options. - (in the UNIT file)
    Apologies in advance, but: Unless i am misreading something, this question doesnt actually make any sense. I THINK what you are trying to ask is how to have a schedule in the lowest-child UNIT file, telling you how many there are in the BUILDING file? If so, it cant be done intelligently in Revit. You can try to work around that by having some other application (BIMLink, or Dynamo, or something) aggregate the data from Building (in one specific view), and then dump a dumb schedule in to the Units file, but thats it. And it wont be a real schedule.

    Insert From File is a command that ONLY brings over a schedules Fields, Formattings, Sorting, and Filtering. The schedule is then built of the data in the new file. Zero chance of that command helping you, as the Unit file isnt even aware the Building File exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogueryder View Post
    Thanks Aaron, yes same guy . .

    Also, to note, the reason I am taking this approach is . . . I am not planning to plot all sheets from the same file .. gasp!

    The buildings are very repetitive in nature, and so creating individual building sets seems like a better approach, and so resources will be much less an issue.

    Site will have site stuff, each building will have it's stuff, and the units will play a small part as well.

    As I mentioned, I am pretty plainly asking if anyone has had any luck or experience with scheduling design option parameters within Rvtlinks.

    Kindly,
    Bryce
    I've done it plenty of times in the past, successfully, and it blows.
    Everything Aaron says is true and it will be slower and take more time using multiple unit links, regardless of where your sheets live.

    I do - 1 file per building with site linked in. Units are groups and can be saved out, copied, modified and reloaded as neccessary.

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    Hi Aaron,

    First off, I appreciate and respect very much all of the experience and willingness to share on this board. . As I mentioned I am pretty new here, and still chewing on a lot of this. I would love to hear how you can use groups in the same way more efficiently. . It was actually your AU presentation Aaron back in what '11, that got me on this route, and so far it has been very successful.

    If you see by this screenshot of the SITE, when you go to Any View, the Rvtlinks tab does not pear down to the UNIT, only the BLDG. So the design options of each UNIT are set in the BLDG file. The Schedule in the SITE is looking at Rvtlinks and catching the parameter information for the UNITS, but within the SITE can not be altered, they are so to speak 'locked in place'. . Unless I am mistaken, which my wife tells me happens every day. . So no pride here, just looking at something that is working really well . . Nothing I have done so far has required me to create dummy anything, or go back into time with phasing. . . they are all straight up tools that seem to work pretty well. . . I was just hoping someone had a golden nugget regarding the specific parameters used to pull the design options for a Rvtlink.

    RE: #3 Thanks again for pointing that out. . After trying that option I did see that this was not the right tool to use.


    Not trying to die on a hill, appreciate all of the feedback absolutely, and will update the thread if I either figure out the scheduling bit, or also, if it ends up not working out. . In the end, I could create groups out of the units and still be alright. . As I mentioned, the reason I am setting up this project this way, is the repetition of the buildings for future projects.

    With continued gratitude for all of the input and feedback,
    Bryce
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogueryder View Post
    Hi Aaron,

    First off, I appreciate and respect very much all of the experience and willingness to share on this board. . As I mentioned I am pretty new here, and still chewing on a lot of this. I would love to hear how you can use groups in the same way more efficiently. . It was actually your AU presentation Aaron back in what '11, that got me on this route, and so far it has been very successful.
    Thanks for the kind words. I know you already heard me say this over email, but just for the benefit of other forum readers that are reading this thread wondering what handout you are talking about: Way back in 2011, i did an AU presentation on HOW to complete a large project using this exact method (Links, By Linked View, and Design options within those links).

    I also want to be clear: It wasnt the preferred method then, and it DEFINITELY isnt now. Model Groups are better in just about every way, EXCEPT for RAM Consumption. They perform better, are faster, regen quicker, and the project is overall better, with Groups. BUT, back in 2010, my former company was riding out the tough times of the recession while holding on (extending past the EOL) to old computing hardware, to same money by pushing back the refresh. So we had Windows Vista machines with 8GB of RAM, and we were doing a 500,000 6 story building, including all FFE, Furniture, and Equipment.

    If i had to do that project again today, not only would the UNITS not be linked, NOTHING would have been linked: One big ol architectural model.

    But, back to your specific questions:

    If you see by this screenshot of the SITE, when you go to Any View, the Rvtlinks tab does not pear down to the UNIT, only the BLDG. So the design options of each UNIT are set in the BLDG file.
    Actually, there are two different statements here, and they dont automatically correlate with one another, as you suggest:

    1. It IS true that when you are in the Site model, you dont "SEE" the Links anywhere, in a settings menu or file. That DOES mean they are preset for you, but:

    2. It is NOT true that it means there is a "Global Setting" being set in the BLDG file. What is (my best guess, as its been a while) most likely happening, is EVERY unit is set with ALL of the Design Options set to PRIMARY (when you are in By Host View), and if you pick By Linked View, its using whatever DO's are set in that Linked View.

    But it is NOT that there is a "global setting" in the BLDG file, for the units. The only such setting that exists, is the primary option.

    The Schedule in the SITE is looking at Rvtlinks and catching the parameter information for the UNITS, but within the SITE can not be altered, they are so to speak 'locked in place'. . Unless I am mistaken, which my wife tells me happens every day. . So no pride here, just looking at something that is working really well . .
    its *working really well* except that it isnt letting you do what you want it to do, lol. And it wont. There isnt a golden nugget thats missing, this is how its intended to work, because it isnt what Links and DO's were meant to do.

    If you want to "change the unit configuration" in the SITE model, it CAN be done: you need to create a new VIEW in the BLDG model, that has all of the UNITS configured the way you want. Then in the SITE model, you need to change the By Host View (or the NOT OVERRIDEN), doesnt matter which one you do, to BY LINKED VIEW, and pick the View in the BLDG model that has all the units set correctly.

    Then, in the SITE model, you need to do that in EVERY view and EVERY View Template. (Thats not so impossible, now. Back in 2011, there were not Linked View Templates yet).

    The ONLY thing you can change about Building, is what View you are mimicking from the Building File. MAYBE thats enough for what you want to do.

    Nothing I have done so far has required me to create dummy anything, or go back into time with phasing. . . they are all straight up tools that seem to work pretty well. . . I was just hoping someone had a golden nugget regarding the specific parameters used to pull the design options for a Rvtlink.
    That entire portion of the handout had nothing to do with the links and DO's. Was a different discussion in the lecture.





    Not trying to die on a hill, appreciate all of the feedback absolutely, and will update the thread if I either figure out the scheduling bit, or also, if it ends up not working out. . In the end, I could create groups out of the units and still be alright. . As I mentioned, the reason I am setting up this project this way, is the repetition of the buildings for future projects.
    Yep. There is always a reason people do it. Still works the same way, regardless. =)
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    I get it now. . I was using the same views used to set the Design Options. Sometimes. . .

    Thanks again for the sage advice. . I am now thinking, in order to create the groups, I need to make primary for each unique unit type, in the unit files and create groups for each one. . . I just thought I could set the design options for each unit in the building and be done with it. . I see now, that once each group is loaded into the building, you can change out group types based on the unique condition (previously design option).

    It seems like I still want to wait until I know the units and their design options are dialed, to separate them into groups, because if changes take place that affect all groups in the unit, then the changes have to be made to each one separately, as opposed to once in the design option version.

    This should make scheduling the units unique conditions easier, by scheduling group types.

    With gratitude,
    Bryce
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