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    Would you like to show walls with multiple layers at 1/16" or just two lines? Maybe we are speaking different things traditional drawing deliverable vs model deliverable? It depends what you really want to deliver. If it is digital drawings where it will be printed as PDF, you want show your wall as two lines and use wall tag to represent your wall type. If model is the deliverable, sure show it fine detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scourdx View Post
    Would you like to show walls with multiple layers at 1/16" or just two lines? Maybe we are speaking different things traditional drawing deliverable vs model deliverable? It depends what you really want to deliver. If it is digital drawings where it will be printed as PDF, you want show your wall as two lines and use wall tag to represent your wall type. If model is the deliverable, sure show it fine detail.
    100% disagree.

    Im talking about paper, and PDF, deliverables. And i absolutely show wall layers at 1/16th inch. And 1/8". And 1/4". I show them in Site Plans too.

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    How do you deal with half size plot. We had complain especially our good friend contractor who constantly blame us for providing drawing that is difficult to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scourdx View Post
    How do you deal with half size plot. We had complain especially our good friend contractor who constantly blame us for providing drawing that is difficult to read.
    PDFs and tablets make that no longer an issue. I's 2019, he needs to get with the plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by scourdx View Post
    How do you deal with half size plot. We had complain especially our good friend contractor who constantly blame us for providing drawing that is difficult to read.
    I set the Print settings to 50%, and i hit Plot. Out they come. I give them to design teams and contractors all the time. I dont see what the issue is.

    Why did the drawings suddenly get difficult to read, just because they are half the size? The hatch in the wall didnt change anything. Everything just got smaller. If the GC cant read them because the text is too small, they have the same issue whether the wall is hatched or not. And the hatch didnt "grow out" of the wall, so its not like on a half sized print the hatch is in any way related to the text being hard to read.

    What, they cant tell where the walls GO, because they are hatched? I dont understand that either, since all of our walls are dimensioned to face (as defined in the partition type, excluding applied finish), and the dimension strings also arent muddled in on top of the wall hatch.

    Literally, i cant see a single issue pertaining to half sized drawings.

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    Why don’t you come up here and see how contractor operate. It will shock you. Majority still print hard copies, scan, photocopies & scan. Most of them don’t use tablet. All manual hard copy print and scale ruler. It is like you are stepping back in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scourdx View Post
    Why don’t you come up here and see how contractor operate. It will shock you. Majority still print hard copies, scan, photocopies & scan. Most of them don’t use tablet. All manual hard copy print and scale ruler. It is like you are stepping back in time.
    None of that would change my mind about showing wall layers. I guess we just agree to disagree. I can't see how even a crappy photograph of a drawing could be worse just over wall layers. If the copy is so bad that the wall layers are smeared and causing legibility issues, the rest of the drawing probably looks horrible too.

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    Well, this is a first. I pretty much agree with everything that Aaron has posted to date, but on this i am in complete agreement with Scourdx.

    I fail to see any upside to showing all wall layers at an 1/8" scale or coarser drawing. The individual layers (common edges) by and large cannot be discerned from the wall cut, with the most prolific example being 5/8"gyp over stud. Adding additional layers makes it an even muddier mess. We'll tag the walls on our coarse mode 1/8" plans, which direct the contractor to the partition type details. I've never had anything built wrong because i didn't show the all the layers on those overalls. I'll take drawing legibility over the extra layers, IMHO unnecessary information, any day.

    General rule of thumb that has served me well for years is any drawing up to 1/8" or 3/16" scale is Coarse, 1/4" to 1" is Medium, and details at 1-1/2" to full are Fine.


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    I don't understand these silly fractions without a calculator, but 1/8 seems to be 1:125 in understandable metric terms.
    We definitely show wall layers at that scale, even double that.
    The only time our walls (and floors, roofs, ceilings etc.) are displayed coarse is during concept design.

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    Hahaha. Yeah, sorry Elton. I was thinking about our metric observing colleagues when i typed those. On the flip side, i've never been able to wrap my head around metric scales, as much as i've tried. I've only worked on one metric project in my career. Maybe if i had a few under my belt, it would stick.

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