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    Revit family from mfg website is showing up as transparent in view

    I downloaded a Revit family from a manufacturer's website and it's exactly the one I want. It is a piece of specialty equipment. In our equipment plans, the appearance is set that, all items that are specialty equipment show up as gray. This is set in the view template. 99% of the time, this works fine and the objects appear as they should. For some reason, this particular family, and others from this website is not showing up gray, and instead, is showing up as completely transparent in plan view. Why would this happen and how can I fix it? I have attached the link for this family below

    https://www.aeromfg.com/TSBX-Stainle...splash-P8.html

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    It is transparent because the 3D in the model is not generating the plan view. They have 2D linework in plan to show the intended plan representation with no fill to provide the masking.
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    Im not downloading it, but my guess is: It has the 3D geometry turned off, and a bunch of symbolic lines in Plan. Which means its transparent, because there is nothing in plan to *see* that blocks the stuff below from showing up.

    The black lines drawn in might be on a new subcat that you dont have, as well. That would make them still black.

    Welcome to downloading content from the internet. :-/
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    Is there an easy way to fix this?

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    It's a relatively simple item - you should really create your own family. If you have not done families before, this would not be too challenging to use as a learning exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katewood1989 View Post
    Is there an easy way to fix this?
    Edit the family and delete the symbolic lines and enable the 3D elements for plan or, add a masking region to the plan view of the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katewood1989 View Post
    Is there an easy way to fix this?
    Open the family, hit the 3D view button, then select all of the model elements and in the properties window, click the 'Edit...' button for Graphics - Visibility/Graphics Overrides, then when the dialog box opens, tick the 'Display in 3D views and: Plan/RCP' see image below:
    Revit family from mfg website is showing up as transparent in view-display.jpg

    THEN, in the Ref.Level view, i.e. the plan, delete any of the symbol lines that are there and any masking or other region.

    NOTE: There may be elements in the family that you don't really want to show in plan views [which is likely why the mfg hid them] so be selective about what you want to be seen in your plans.
    Last edited by kamranmirza; March 12th, 2019 at 10:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    ...Welcome to downloading content from the internet. :-/
    Hahaha. Yep, that pretty much says it all right there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.warburton View Post
    It's a relatively simple item - you should really create your own family.
    We've found that we needed to develop an intelligent strategy of how to deal with manufacturer's content that includes an SOP that educates staff to be aware of what the problems are and how to avoid them.

    This is a response to working on large interiors projects with many more proprietary items than generic architectural items and therefore accepting the necessary evil of manufacturer's content. And also knowing that we can't be spending unnecessary time modelling every single family that goes into our projects. For generic architectural items such as doors that will be repeatedly used in our projects ? Yes; for a piece of furniture that has the longevity of fashion ? No.

    Our developing workflow to make staff aware of issues with manufacturer's content, consists of but not exclusively:

    1. Have a list of more trusted go-to on-line libraries, such as NBS's National BIM Library in the UK, etc.
    2. Review family file-size and number of instances in the model and to prefer native Revit content whenever possible.
    3. Check and remove any CAD content and/or replace with Revit line-work.
    4. Review file size of any non-native 3D geometry.
    5. We also have separate workflow of removing visibility of meshes for complex furniture families modelled in 3DSMax, etc., that speeds up re-gen times. We use this for commonly used furniture items, vehicles, yes - specific vehicles for showroom projects, etc.
    6. We also have a policy of isolating furniture in a linked furniture model where most imported families reside. This allows us to work on our scope of work in our own model in isolation for a lighter file size and easier working.

    Finally, this tweet sums things up nicely, and yes that website is on our black-list:
    https://twitter.com/PhilRead/status/1104857481786863616
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamranmirza View Post
    We've found that we needed to develop an intelligent strategy of how to deal with manufacturer's content that includes an SOP that educates staff to be aware of what the problems are and how to avoid them.
    Quasi-agreed. In principle, i agree with the notin that we have to be able to explain how to process content, for staff members.
    This is a response to working on large interiors projects with many more proprietary items than generic architectural items and therefore accepting the necessary evil of manufacturer's content.
    At the risk of splitting hairs (because we agree on this, in general, it seems), i hate when some people declate that thigns like *manufacturers content* are a necessary evil. its normalizing a problem as "well we dont have any other option, so file it under **** happens and DOWNLOAD THAT CONTENT!" it simply isnt true: It isnt "necessary." How much people are WILLING to use it depends on their TOLERANCE for the issues they face. You CAN build "simplifed" content for furniture, on a project by project basis. You dont NEED manufacturers content. Herman Miller and Steelcase: Their garbage will never make it in to a model of mine, again.

    Our developing workflow to make staff aware of issues with manufacturer's content, consists of but not exclusively:

    1. Have a list of more trusted go-to on-line libraries, such as NBS's National BIM Library in the UK, etc.
    2. Review family file-size and number of instances in the model and to prefer native Revit content whenever possible.
    3. Check and remove any CAD content and/or replace with Revit line-work.
    4. Review file size of any non-native 3D geometry.
    5. We also have separate workflow of removing visibility of meshes for complex furniture families modelled in 3DSMax, etc., that speeds up re-gen times. We use this for commonly used furniture items, vehicles, yes - specific vehicles for showroom projects, etc.
    6. We also have a policy of isolating furniture in a linked furniture model where most imported families reside. This allows us to work on our scope of work in our own model in isolation for a lighter file size and easier working.

    Finally, this tweet sums things up nicely, and yes that website is on our black-list:
    https://twitter.com/PhilRead/status/1104857481786863616
    Its awesome to have a documented process. This is ours. It doesnt disclose the automation routines that we use to cut out some of these steps (It mentions the Family Processor... But we also have two other Dynamo graphs that help with some of these steps). But for general staff, it at least stops them from getting CAD bullshit in our models.
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