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Thread: DWG file linked shows solid instead of hatched pattern in Revit

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
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    eventually : ) I have to draw in autocad for the time being

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    Open the detail in AutoCAD. Explode everything. Save somewhere else. Link into drafting view. Draft a new resume. Send resume out. Take a job with a firm that's not going to go under in 5 years when VR destroys firms that aren't on board.
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    LOL thanks...

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    it's a difficult position I'm in. I really like my life, apartment, and my community in this town I moved to last year for this job. I only have technical training (associates degree) I'm not an engineer or architect... they are teaching me a lot about building and structural detailing. I do like the people I work with (most days). There's just a huge learning curve for me, and I feel there will be for a while. I value Revit so much more than autocad, and I have to hold my words when I hear my manager talk crap about how modeling is destroying building knowledge for the new wave of architects and designers.

    At this point though, I'm doing the best I can to get both building knowledge and modeling experience. It's just a difficult place I have been put in. Trying to do what I need to do for my growth and adhere to office standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthRevi View Post
    ... and I have to hold my words when I hear my manager talk crap about how modeling is destroying building knowledge for the new wave of architects and designers...
    Your manager is not wrong about that, though.
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    I have no idea how modeling can ruin building knowledge when you have to model it like it's built. Oh well.

    I too have had to import thousands of CAD details into Revit. The hatch issue was a pain. DOT pattern was the worst. I ended up converting it to GRASS then making it small enough that it plots as small blobs. But I always exploded the hatches in AutoCAD first and saved them elsewhere. Always clearly marked in some way to be obvious that they're only for linking into Revit. Always link, never import unless it is the only way to avoid losing the client and/or your job.

    I've had a client that was frightened and enraged by the idea of linked CAD files. Not hyperbole either, they came into the office to scream at one of the PMs because somebody (me) linked a CAD file. What can you do when they're providing 90%+ of the firm's income back around 2010?

    As for only having an AA... no big deal. That's all I have. Up until recently I was teaching revit at a local college. Experience and brains count for more than that slip of paper after a couple of years.

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    I think he mostly feels that way because when we model, components are able to be put together with our much thought about connections and structural/grading design. I hear a lot of issues with receiving models with little information written out, and we are referred to look at the model instead. With the assumption everyone knows how to work in Revit. Drawings are less detailed and it leaves a lot of room for assuming...I can see where he and others are coming from. For 3 years of my modeling career I dont think I really understood what I was drawing. It wasnt until recently, I began to do details that are helping me understand what I'm actually drawing. And in turn, what I can model..
    As my building knowledge gets stronger, I hope to be able to model and draft (with confidence) in Revit. Until then, I will do the best I can to mediate both worlds and get more brains

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLarson View Post
    I have no idea how modeling can ruin building knowledge when you have to model it like it's built. Oh well.
    It absolutely can, and it absolutely has.

    The root cause may be unclear (and no doubt a certain amount of denial will exist on THIS forum (us all advocates/champions/evangelists for modeling and for Revit). For what its worth, i dont think its just Revit. Its all modeling platforms. And i still support modeling platforms, of course, but the training and mentoring track is much more complicated now, and that IS ruining up-and-comers building knowledge.

    When we hand drafted and/or CAD Drafted, all i really had to be concerned with was the Building Knowledge.

    1. I draw Section (incorrectly)
    2. Principal or Mentor redraws it (with a pen) with me sitting there, explaining how it goes together, pointing things out.
    3. I redraw it in CAD, doing exactly what they did. Hopefully, i learn it for next time.

    Now its sort of like:

    1. I draw Section (incorrectly)
    2. Principal or Mentor finds me a paper document or PDF where someone else recently drew it fairly close to correct.
    3. If i am not sure how to model it, i go ask someone in the office.
    4. If they dont know, i go ask someone else. or maybe they know, but its a ****** way to model it, and it comes out like hell.
    5. Im focusing on how to do this thing, because doing it is complicated, and meanwhile im not learning **** about that detail.

    A few things bother me about it, and the software ISNT to blame for a lot of it. I visit a LOT of firms these days. And i see WAY LESS principals and PM's and Architects sitting with and showing younger staff how details go together. Like, we talk about "modeling how it will be built," but if we arent sitting there teaching kids how it will be built, how the hell can they model it correctly?

    And i DO think how you model it matters. Not every method is the same. And im cleaning up projects day in and day out that are modeled like ****, which means the details are also ****, which means there are probably constructibility issues rampant. You say you dont know how it can cause issues when someone has to model it like its built, well the answer to that is simple: They ARENT all modeling it like its built, because:

    They dont know how its built. And so much energy is spent (these days) on learning tools and methods, that they arent learning the details and the construction.

    All of that to say: I dont believe it has anything to do with the software itself. Drawings in Revit CAN obviously look just as good and buildable as drawings in AutoCAD. But they dont, in most firms. And the status of mentorship in our industry has certainly changed. And not for the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    It absolutely can, and it absolutely has.
    This... all of it.

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    This is probably the reason why when I was working in Chief Architect for a construction company all my sections and details were drafted and didn't use the actual sections or callouts from CA.

    To tell you the truth I learned more about residential construction in those few months than I ever learned before.

    Also I liked that I was TOLD to add the fraction to a ceiling height vs making it a round number...something that had always irked me working for other places.

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