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    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post

    > I would like to know which is the correct process with which we start to modelise an architectural project with structural elements. So we have architectural and structural columns / walls / floors etc.
    It depends.
    Likely in early design you'll take a guess at structural as a place holder to convey to the client. As structural comes on board and gets modelling then you can start to remove elements that overlap. (my preferred method) You have to watch areas where you have openings in structural walls in which you'll need to model a sacrificial wall to host your opening (doors/windows) to.
    Some people like to keep some structural in the architectural (typically elements that host architectural elements) and coordinate everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post
    For example for the walls/ floors does it better to keep separate the architectural from structural? (Until now I do a wall with multiple layers )
    I always do keep them separate. Structural elements are built before architectural elements. Ie. a concrete wall is one wall, then I'll build furring walls that get applied over the concrete wall. Lots of threads on the reasoning behind that.

    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post
    > If I also want to have separate the architectural and structural model what I should do? Do I need to have them separated from the start or can I use the copy monitor for the stuctural model?
    Start with separate models or they can be separate worksets at a minimum if both in one model. If you have both in one model and want separate models, then you'll have to save as to create 2 separate models. One model delete all the architectural. Other model delete all the structural. Do this AFTER you separate structure from the architectural elements (ie your walls and floors)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamranmirza View Post
    Please elaborate . . .
    My comment about Level 3 was slightly in jest. I'm going to leave a link below as I'm not 100% sure what BIM Level 3 will bring (I don't think anyone knows exactly) but I believe it's collaboration of all parties through the cloud, security being the main issue to be resoloved.

    https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Level_3_BIM

    I see you're location is in the Uk, you probably know as much about the maturity levels as I do.

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    I am a little confushed... In the architectural plans that we do until now we need to show the concrete walls and columns.
    The engineers works in another software (scia / allplan ).


    So I need to have a Revit architectural model only with the architectural elements and each time that the engineers change their model, i should link it as IFC in Revit? In order to have in my plnas both structural and architectural model?



    Quote Originally Posted by cheinaranta View Post

    I always do keep them separate. Structural elements are built before architectural elements. Ie. a concrete wall is one wall, then I'll build furring walls that get applied over the concrete wall. Lots of threads on the reasoning behind that.
    I face a problem with the openings if I have separated the structural and architectural walls. If you check the image below, I cannot continue the finishing material until the frame of the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post
    So I need to have a Revit architectural model only with the architectural elements and each time that the engineers change their model, i should link it as IFC in Revit? In order to have in my plnas both structural and architectural model?
    Ideally yes. When you model the structure yourself you risk missing things they add to their models, unless you 100% verify their model and keep your own up to date. It's a lot of work.

    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post
    I face a problem with the openings if I have separated the structural and architectural walls. If you check the image below, I cannot continue the finishing material until the frame of the door.
    What I do in these instances is to model the structure and my walls, I set structural material to be transparent so you see the hatch from the structural model come through and you still have control over your wall wraps.

    Because I model structure separate (3x walls to make 1x wall) I don't have the wraps like you want, we cover this with door jamb details. At some scales it's not read anyway on plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizo View Post

    What I do in these instances is to model the structure and my walls, I set structural material to be transparent so you see the hatch from the structural model come through and you still have control over your wall wraps.
    I didn't understand well.. so you create also the structural walls and set them transparent?

    Thank you in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post
    I didn't understand well.. so you create also the structural walls and set them transparent?
    that is just written down there so what's the part you don't understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres Franco View Post
    that is just written down there so what's the part you don't understand?
    Ok, Thank you. I wanted to be sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARIA1993 View Post
    I didn't understand well.. so you create also the structural walls and set them transparent?

    Thank you in advance!
    Yep thats it. It's probably not ideal but we need the wall sandwiched there for openings on both sides. The transparent material just 'hides' our wall so you see the structural walls (hatch).

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