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    Looking for input on additional high level thoughts to use Revit better

    I got roped into a meeting that I think is pointless but I'm not going to argue the point just now. I'm being asked to present on "Opportunities in Revit -- Maximize and Save Time" (catchy title, no?) So that I keep it high level and not out of the reach of management to understand I've broken it down into the the following headings;

    • Less Management
      • instance parameters mean fewer family types to manage
      • Lineweights by scale with a global Object Style strategy mean fewer View Templates to manage
      • Shared/Nested family strategy means fewer families to manage
      • Unhosted families means fewer families and more consistency in usage.
    • More Control
      • Reserving Lineweights 1 & 2 for Surface and Ceilings Patterns respectively allows for control over them separately from other lines and increases control over graphics
      • View Types for Elevations & Sections allow for additional control over what symbols show up where
      • View Filters and additional parameters for increased control over graphics and affords new opportunities for additional display of elements
      • Modern fonts stay where you place them in tags and GAs means more control over and better looking labels in graphics
    • More Intelligence
      • Families that provide assistance and limitations on what you can do with them... just like IRL
      • Schedules that accurately calculate required pluming fixtures, roof drain leader sizes, and more.
    • Faster Documentation
      • View Management strategy based on usage makes locating views faster
      • pre-populated family parameters mans faster annotations with more options
      • workflows around view extents means cleaner, easier to read drawings, affords opportunities to automate placement on sheets, and allows for automated view numbering


    Any comments you might have or suggestions on how to expand this lists would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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    If that meeting is setup as a strictly one way *presentation* with light Q&A by management after: Awesome. If other folks with "opinions on how best to execute Revit" are going to be in the room, and are going to derail that **** with their "I dont think thats the right approach" BS, i would politely decline the request to present, honestly.
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    My notion of High Level means being able to discuss why the meeting is happening in the first place...if not then it is a give us a report meeting. What does better mean exactly? To know what to do better assumes it is a given that things are not going well already. Does better mean shave 0.01 seconds off our lap time or 20 seconds? Your list reads to me as though you've decided what better means and it may not be what they were thinking at all? Is someone going to toss in a hand grenade and say, "Why aren't we looking a BRICS BIM?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMcDowellJr View Post
    • More Intelligence
      • Families that provide assistance and limitations on what you can do with them... just like IRL
      • Schedules that accurately calculate required pluming fixtures, roof drain leader sizes, and more.

    • Faster Documentation
      • View Management strategy based on usage makes locating views faster
      • pre-populated family parameters mans faster annotations with more options
      • workflows around view extents means cleaner, easier to read drawings, affords opportunities to automate placement on sheets, and allows for automated view numbering


    I don't have anything to add other than to say, in case you are going to use this list as a publication for your meeting, you have two misspellings. Don't mean to be critical, just trying to be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
    Your list reads to me as though you've decided what better means and it may not be what they were thinking at all? Is someone going to toss in a hand grenade and say, "Why aren't we looking a BRICS BIM?"
    I have. Maybe that makes me a bad person, or a bad BIM guy (not a "manager" here) but I frankly don't care what staff has to say until they've tried it. Far too many "that looks complicated" or "I don't think that's a good idea (but I have no experience with it so I'm talking out of my butt)".

    If someone wants to throw that grenade I'll gladly step out of the way and let management take that hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Jones View Post
    I don't have anything to add other than to say, in case you are going to use this list as a publication for your meeting, you have two misspellings. Don't mean to be critical, just trying to be helpful.
    Thanks friend. I won't have all these on the slides. I don't like reading slides to people.
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    I guess the one other constructive thing i would add, is:

    To follow along Steve's point, i would plan on being prepared to talk about:

    1. Where does each of these initiatives rate in a priority list
    2. What is the potential/gain/savings when each of these initiatives is done
    3. What is the loss/investment to achieve each of these initiatives

    Some of those initiatives are a "one-time" change, in a template or file, and then everyone down stream gets those changes, plus a little training. Thats a relatively low hanging piece of fruit to accomplish.

    Some of those initiatives are "open-everys" meaning you need to open and interact with a TON of files, to make those changes "profitable." Adding in standardized parameters, changing lineweights, line styles, and so on, restructuring large numbers of families and/or libraries: They have big gains, but they also take serious investment to do.

    Id be prepared to go in with durations to accomplish them, or if they say *okay, we agree, how do we get moving, and how long will it take?* suddenly you are standing up there with no information, just asking for an open ended amount of time to accomplish "something."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    If that meeting is setup as a strictly one way *presentation* with light Q&A by management after: Awesome. If other folks with "opinions on how best to execute Revit" are going to be in the room, and are going to derail that **** with their "I dont think thats the right approach" BS, i would politely decline the request to present, honestly.
    We'll see. Everyone is invited but I'm not getting technical in this so hopefully there won't be a lot of opportunities to derail. Just trying to hit on the things we're not doing as well as we could. We got bad BIM here, for sure.

    Anything you'd add for this sort of high level? I know it's easier if you know what we're doing wrong but, barring that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I guess the one other constructive thing i would add, is:

    To follow along Steve's point, i would plan on being prepared to talk about:

    1. Where does each of these initiatives rate in a priority list
    2. What is the potential/gain/savings when each of these initiatives is done
    3. What is the loss/investment to achieve each of these initiatives

    Some of those initiatives are a "one-time" change, in a template or file, and then everyone down stream gets those changes, plus a little training. Thats a relatively low hanging piece of fruit to accomplish.

    Some of those initiatives are "open-everys" meaning you need to open and interact with a TON of files, to make those changes "profitable." Adding in standardized parameters, changing lineweights, line styles, and so on, restructuring large numbers of families and/or libraries: They have big gains, but they also take serious investment to do.

    Id be prepared to go in with durations to accomplish them, or if they say *okay, we agree, how do we get moving, and how long will it take?* suddenly you are standing up there with no information, just asking for an open ended amount of time to accomplish "something."
    Thanks. Great thoughts.

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    If the list of things to discuss is based on observed poor habits and understanding that makes sense to me. As in, Team X did this on the last project and then several people spent 3 days redoing that work because they didn't know how to make X a Y. That's a training issue. In other cases, people are placing text instead of tags because they thinks it is easier and our content already has the information...also training or reinforcement.

    If the list is your personal to do list you'll end up on the spot, "Why haven't you done this already?" If that's the case then you need to be prepared to tell them what you need to get it done and how long.

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