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    Quote Originally Posted by elton williams View Post
    )The hoops i had to jump through just to get some generic masses into my revit project -and then back again to modify - made me stop that real quick and just model masses in place.
    Ok. This is interesting. Hoops mean time. Not what I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLothian View Post
    I would concur 100% with those sentiments. I was hoping it would be the gateway to getting some slightly more advanced geometry into Revit but sadly not.
    Exactly my thoughts. Looks like this will remain an industry challenge for those who like dealing with quickly created/edited, challenging geometry and need RVT as an output.

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    How disappointing. I guess all those videos I see online showing companies using it are PT stunts. I was really hoping to hear something more positive in regards to being able to use this software for our workflow.

    Our firm used to use SketchUP for SD and some DD. However, given the "throw away model" problem, we decided to use Revit from the get go. The main issue we still have is that a lot of the designers are frustrated by the amount of time needed to do create SDs in Revit given their software knowledge limitations. Some have even reverted to doing the SD in AutoCAD and moving into Revit once the design is approved for DD by our clients. They do this because they want to have direct input via software while designing but get frustrated/intimidated by Revit. They justify this workflow because they feel that the amount of time they save in AutoCAD vs Revit to pump out SD documents can then be transferred over to DD when they hand off the CAD files to be turned into a Revit model.

    I couldn't wrap my head around where Formit fit in the design workflow. I don't want a complete throwaway model. What's even worse, would be a time consuming throw away model.

    I'll admit, I was a bit enticed with the sketchy look of Formit (looks almost as good as sketch). We like having SD documents that are sketchy in nature so that clients don't get distracted by things that haven't been fully fleshed out in the design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cescobarjgra View Post
    How disappointing. I guess all those videos I see online showing companies using it are PT stunts. I was really hoping to hear something more positive in regards to being able to use this software for our workflow.

    Our firm used to use SketchUP for SD and some DD. However, given the "throw away model" problem, we decided to use Revit from the get go. The main issue we still have is that a lot of the designers are frustrated by the amount of time needed to do create SDs in Revit given their software knowledge limitations. Some have even reverted to doing the SD in AutoCAD and moving into Revit once the design is approved for DD by our clients. They do this because they want to have direct input via software while designing but get frustrated/intimidated by Revit. They justify this workflow because they feel that the amount of time they save in AutoCAD vs Revit to pump out SD documents can then be transferred over to DD when they hand off the CAD files to be turned into a Revit model.

    I couldn't wrap my head around where Formit fit in the design workflow. I don't want a complete throwaway model. What's even worse, would be a time consuming throw away model.

    I'll admit, I was a bit enticed with the sketchy look of Formit (looks almost as good as sketch). We like having SD documents that are sketchy in nature so that clients don't get distracted by things that haven't been fully fleshed out in the design.
    Well, the good news is: When you learn that you shouldnt trace the CAD plans, then ALL of the SD/early DD scenarios end up being throw away, except working in Revit. In that case, might as well work in whichever one they prefer to keep them happy, since the outcome is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cescobarjgra View Post
    The main issue we still have is that a lot of the designers are frustrated by the amount of time needed to do create SDs in Revit given their software knowledge limitations. Some have even reverted to doing the SD in AutoCAD and moving into Revit once the design is approved for DD by our clients.
    This is a worldwide issue in most firms using Revit and Autodesk isn't going to fix it. Revit is and will always remain primarily a documentation tool. Unfortunately tools for SD and DD is an absolute unknown in the Autodesk dictionary. (Ironically they do make fantastic conceptual modelling tools for the mechanical, viz, automotive and industrial design industry.) It has gotten so bad that FormIt is able to read SketchUp models natively, but can't even import it's own native Revit files. Formit's modelling tools are even more limiting than Revit modelling tools and their hasn't been any enhancements since 2013.

    For now most firms are creating an array of workflows between conceptual modelling tools like Rhino, SketchUp etc. and Revit. As a matter of fact, Autodesk promotes these workflows and especially the use of non Autodesk conceptual modelling tools. There was a glimpse of hope when Dynamo came out, but the vast majority of users, contributors and package developers where those only interested in documentation and data manipulation. So like Revit, Dynamo has become more an automation tool for the creation of CD's rather than a Grasshopper replacement for Revit.

    At the end, nothing has changed since the conception of BIM. Pen and paper has been replaced by Rhino/Grasshopper and SketchUp. Revit is used as an Autocad replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post
    This is a worldwide issue in most firms using Revit and Autodesk isn't going to fix it. Revit is and will always remain primarily a documentation tool. Unfortunately tools for SD and DD is an absolute unknown in the Autodesk dictionary. (Ironically they do make fantastic conceptual modelling tools for the mechanical, viz, automotive and industrial design industry.) It has gotten so bad that FormIt is able to read SketchUp models natively, but can't even import it's own native Revit files. Formit's modelling tools are even more limiting than Revit modelling tools and their hasn't been any enhancements since 2013.

    For now most firms are creating an array of workflows between conceptual modelling tools like Rhino, SketchUp etc. and Revit. As a matter of fact, Autodesk promotes these workflows and especially the use of non Autodesk conceptual modelling tools. There was a glimpse of hope when Dynamo came out, but the vast majority of users, contributors and package developers where those only interested in documentation and data manipulation. So like Revit, Dynamo has become more an automation tool for the creation of CD's rather than a Grasshopper replacement for Revit.

    At the end, nothing has changed since the conception of BIM. Pen and paper has been replaced by Rhino/Grasshopper and SketchUp. Revit is used as an Autocad replacement.
    Andrew i would be curious to see what kind of geometry are you not able to create using Revit (along with Dynamo) that you have to resort solely to Rhino/GH?
    And i mean serious stuff, not spaghetti building.

    Personally i only have 1 single current project that requires Rhino/GH out of ... a lot i'd love to share the geometry but i can't just now.

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    In recent past I've created extremely lean nurbs models of sanitaryware which I was able to import from 3DM/SAT but found I was unable to control the materials in the generic model family. My aim was to create families which would be accurate representations of the real world items and also look good in all views. To achieve the same with the existing tools in the family editor is in some cases completely impossible i.e. swept blend allows 2 sketch profiles but only 1 path instead of 2. I totally get that to some documentation is more important and simple representations of object suffices, but that's not the case for everyone and I would at least like to have the choice of fully functionality of imported content that we have with native created content.

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    Personally, I'm a big fan of SketchUp for early concepts. It's incredibly fast and lightweight in that respect and very intuitive. I've tried doing similar things in FormIt and it is way too clunky; you feel hamstrung from get-go. Also, FormIt Pro only being available to people who subscribe to the AEC Collection will kind of deter its adoption, in my opinion. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought Autodesk made some kind of announcement a year or so ago about how they were teaming up with SketchUp to get some kind of bi-directional workflow going.

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    Where to Way in on this topic...

    My logic tells me better, but I'm going to add my nickel

    1) I Use Formit and have since its early conception when it was solely available on ios (to me that is huge, I can model anytime anywhere with out a heavy laptop).

    2) I dont use Formit for CD's and still use Revit Heavily for concept and programming.

    3) Why do I choose Formit - because it is quick and effective and has at least some connection to Revit upstream (no its not perfect, but really even a conceptual Revit model to Revit is not perfect and requires some rework)

    What I've come to realize is that there is no easy answer, there is no one tool that can do everything and do it effectively and efficiently. We deal in very complex buildings (those who say otherwise are lying) What that also means is that one can't rely on a single tool or process the most (longterm) efficient process to understand all your tools that are available and understand when to use what. And maybe most importantly what it means to the next person and the team as a whole. Just because you completed your task does not make it the best tool, you have to consider what the next person has to do.

    One way I find to illustrate this recently is the attached slide. It is simply the icons of various software (and some hardware) I Use (sized proportionally to the amount) Could I complete my work with only one of these tools. Sure, I've seen a firm to 100% CDs using illustrator, it can be done. But as many have pointed out it comes down to change, every project goes through changes and accommodating that change needs to the focus today.

    - and one useless jab, for those who imply that Revisions are done hourly, please send me your contracts and explain how that actually works.


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