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Thread: Perpetual License or Subscription....time to give in?

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    I am 100% certain ill be able to consolidate to one serial. I wouldnt do it otherwise.

    The s**t part (for me) is half of our machines are on the AECC ones (the laptops) and half (the desktops that dont leave the office) are on the FlexLM BDSU licenses. So the desktops would just get everything REMOVED and redeployed. The cool thing is, the Px Tools are already set up for that. But it doesnt sit easy in my stomach, since i know Dynamo and BIM360/C4R/RCAO/PACR is going to be a total b***h when i go to do the full removal and reinstalls.

    But this is all a few months out. Ive already built the 2020's for both packages, so im not stressing about it at all right now.

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    So this I did not realize....if you drop maintenance you are allowed to only use the latest version of your license. Right now my office is running pretty much 95% 2019 with a couple of projects in CD's with 2017. If we decided to slam the door our 2017 and 2019 would cease to operate and I'd be installing 2020 on all the machines. An AC/DC song comes to mind.

    Supposedly someone in the area was still using 2015 and decided to drop maintenance. They had to upgrade all their computers just to run the latest version.

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    I call bullshit on the last sentence. I would like to see a computer spec that can run 2015 but cant run 2019.

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    Dunno...maybe the spec was pushing it for 2015?

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    I havent seen anything (at all) that says 2019 would take a more powerful machine than 2015. What features would make that so?

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    Maybe he meant 2014 and they had 32 bit machines? Like I said, I dunno. My machine is about 6 years old so it was probably running 2015 once upon a time before the great data hostage takeover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I am 100% certain ill be able to consolidate to one serial. I wouldnt do it otherwise.

    The s**t part (for me) is half of our machines are on the AECC ones (the laptops) and half (the desktops that dont leave the office) are on the FlexLM BDSU licenses. So the desktops would just get everything REMOVED and redeployed. The cool thing is, the Px Tools are already set up for that. But it doesnt sit easy in my stomach, since i know Dynamo and BIM360/C4R/RCAO/PACR is going to be a total b***h when i go to do the full removal and reinstalls.

    But this is all a few months out. Ive already built the 2020's for both packages, so im not stressing about it at all right now.
    Maybe a roundabout way of managing this, but you can put the laptop licences into the FlexLM licence pool, and just "borrow" the licence for up to 1 year. You can check the licence back in and back out at any time.

    Also point to be careful with if borrowing licences on laptops, make sure you borrow the licence while plugged into your portable power supply, and that you use that same power supply when you are using the licence after borrowing out. For some reason using for example a dock, and then a different portable external power supply pack will change your machine address and your licence will not work. Not sure I explained that so well...

    Example:
    Laptop is docked on my desk on a docking station and I connect to "insert autodesk product here" and borrow the licence.
    I disconnect from the dock, take the laptop to a meeting, and plug in my power supply and connect to autodesk product.
    Said autodesk product licence will show up as unavailable.
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    The AECC licenses are way better, as they let you open multiple versions without consuming multiple licensed.

    I'm not looking for a *way around* it, as I'll be quite happy to be rid of flex lm all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    The AECC licenses are way better, as they let you open multiple versions without consuming multiple licensed.

    I'm not looking for a *way around* it, as I'll be quite happy to be rid of flex lm all together.

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    well I mean you can "borrow" any licence regardless of if it is on FlexLM or not...
    I was just suggesting to group them all in the same place, rather than managing some on flexLM and some AECC but if you prefer the AECC method you can still borrow those ones out if it suits your needs.

    If I go back and re-read your post at the top of this page, maybe I misunderstood...is the complaint simply that its going to suck reinstalling on all the PCs to get away from the FlexLM method? If so yeah, unfortunately, logistically not much else can be done in that situation

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    If you are on Named Licenses for AECC, you dont ever have to *borrow* at all, since you are signed in. It isnt reading the license from a server that needs to be "borrowed."

    I guess i wasnt clear, since you can get the AECC licenses that are still FlexLM based: When i move us to AECC, it will be Single User accounts all managed through manage.Autodesk.com, and FlexLM will go away entirely. There will be no more borrowing licenses here at all.

    And yes, the complaint is the removal and reinstallation of all of the software. Im not looking for advice or a solution, as i already have an automated way to remove all the applications and an automated way to reinstall them. But PACR, and RCAO, and the Dynamo stuff all technically being handled as their own versions, make removing and reinstalling Revit NOT very straightforward. So when the time comes, i just have to decide if i will bother trying, or just reimage those machines.

    EDIT: *OR* if i will use the interesting workaround John Pierson found, that actually DOES let you change License Types on the machine, LOL.

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