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    Question Revit Lacks Basic Functionality

    I've been using Revit for over a year (I'm user-certified), and I've done tons of research into specific step-by-step instructions regarding certain processes. Sadly, I've found many frustrated Revit users that are unable to use basic functions that programs like AutoCAD have been utilizing for many years. I know that both programs are different, and their purposes can vary, but many people who have been using AutoCAD for 10+ years are unwilling to transition to Revit for seemingly obvious and rational reasons. I know that Revit can deliver more results than AutoCAD, and that BIM is the new standard, but I still feel more comfortable using AutoCAD merely because of its variety of functions. Revit seems to be lacking these essential functions.

    Here's a few key comparisons and issues that have impacted my efficiency and ability to deliver results as quickly as I should:

    1. The "Midway between two points" command: I used this a ton when I used AutoCAD Architecture to compete in a drafting conference. It saved me time and guaranteed accurate results. Revit doesn't have this function, and my research has led me to believe that I would have to run a complex script or use a special component as work-around.
    2. Subregions don't snap to each other:After creating a basic and flat topographical surface, I created subregions that represented grass, sand, and sidewalks. When I sketched these subregions and wanted them to touch other subregions, I was unable to snap to their edges.The only work-around that I found was to create the entire site plan in AutoCAD, import that CAD file into Revit, and use it as an overlay that I traced. Using Revit linework as guide lines is worse, since I have to delete each line once my subregions are complete. Why do I have to use a second program's lines to trace over? Why can't I snap to the corners and edges of other subregions?
    3. Walls drawn at irregular angles don't have snaps or dimensions: When I try to place a door or window into a wall that's not exactly horizontal or vertical, the linear dimension guide disappears and I'm unable to snap to any face on that wall. This is extremely frustrating: Placing a door on a wall in a specific location takes me seconds in AutoCAD Architecture, regardless of what angle the wall is oriented.In Revit, I have to create and switch to an elevation view and use reference plane lines or model lines as guides. This is extremely time-consuming and inefficient. Walls can snap to midpoints and nearest points on other walls, but differing families don't snap to each other in accurate ways.

    I hope that someone can assist me in overcoming these shortfalls. Perhaps I haven't turned on a setting that enables these obvious functions. Perhaps my research is incomplete and outdated. Nevertheless, if it's this difficult for me to do research and figure out how to perform basic functions in a BIM program, then the program needs to be updated and given an easy-to-access set of complex tools that every draftsman/designer/architect/engineer needs to complete accurate projects in "100" steps, not "1,000" steps.
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    AutoCAD and Revit are two completely different tools, designed to do two completely different things. It is NOT like transitioning from Microsoft Excel to Google Sheets. Comparing AutoCAD to Revit is like comparing painting to playing a piano.

    For 2D documentation, there is no better tool than AutoCAD. Revit's primary focus, on the other hand, is to create a 3D building model that can be utilized for multi-disciplinary collaboration, analysis, visualization, facilities management, fabrication, etc. When learning Revit, the first thing you have to do is forget everything you know about AutoCAD.
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    If your that passionate about your ideas, then you can voice them at revit ideas.

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    If those 3 are the things that are holding you back on doing more revit work then I see no problem at all.
    Just remember that Revit is different and you should use it as it was intended. If you try to mimic the way you are used to work in AutoCAD it will hunt you down and kill you, so to speak.

    1. Well you have to live with that one I guess, but I personally have not missed it much, just annotate the things you want to be between 2 point and EQ the dimensions afterwards.
    2. I have no problem snapping to a Subregion when making a second one, don't think I have any special setting that make me do that.
    3. True, that can be frustrating at times, but think about what you are acutely dimentioning. A dimension represents the distance between 2 walls, when those walls are not parallel nobody would know where that dimension is actually taken. One could assume it is at the location of the dimension, but that would be an assumption and those are scary.
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    3. The remedy is even more scarier. Draw line on top of your view and dimension them. ..Civil Revit users default.. (And if the dimension is of, edit it, ..satanic)
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    (using Revit for) Over a year!

    I bow before you, Sir Fellow from Florida, you are already so wise.

    Imagine how knowledgable and sophisitcated you will be in another year!

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    I choose no direction, other than the one you suggest, Sir Fellow from Florida, so handsome you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WelcomeToAccord View Post
    3. Walls drawn at irregular angles don'thave snaps or dimensions: When I try to place a door or windowinto a wall that's not exactly horizontal or vertical, the linear dimensionguide disappears and I'm unable to snap to any face on that wall. This isextremely frustrating: Placing a door on a wall in a specific location takes meseconds in AutoCAD Architecture, regardless of what angle the wall is oriented.In Revit, I have to create and switch to an elevation view and use referenceplane lines or model lines as guides. This is extremely time-consuming andinefficient. Walls can snap to midpoints and nearest points on other walls, but differing families don't snap to each other in accurate ways.
    Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, or at least, i'm not understanding it from your description. As far as placing objects on angled walls (plan view?) -- i don't think i've ever needed to create an elevation to locate something. Are you looking for something like tracking in autocad?

    Can i ask the obvious? Are you making use of the temporary dimensions when trying to adjust/move objects? Or when you dimension to an angled wall, do you tab-select an endpoint to grab a point instead of a face?

    Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by WelcomeToAccord View Post
    I've been using Revit for over ayear (I'm user-certified), and I've done tons of research into specificstep-by-step instructions regarding certain processes. Sadly, I've found manyfrustrated Revit users that are unable to use basic functions that programslike AutoCAD have been utilizing for many years. I know that both programs aredifferent, and their purposes can vary, but many people who have been usingAutoCAD for 10+ years are unwilling to transition to Revit for seeminglyobvious and rational reasons. I know that Revit can deliver more results thanAutoCAD, and that BIM is the new standard, but I still feel morecomfortable using AutoCAD merely because of its variety of functions. Revitseems to be lacking these essential functions.
    Ok, let's start by the obvious, 2 different tools, 2 different functionalities, if you are looking for the same tools and the same way to draw you are completely lost, as already mentioned by Knitro87 you are comparing two different things!

    Complaining about the lack of functionalities that you think the tool should have doesn't help to improve your abilities with that tool, yo need IMO to find a solution more that an excuse!

    I've been an Acad User since 2003, and back then I used to love it, but in ACAD you can put dimensions in the blank space whilst in Revit you can't , so is not hard to figure out why!!, I've saw many Autocad Plans with dimensions that wasn't accurate at all since in Revit you need an object to put a dimension.

    You are right about the "Midway between twopoints", if we are making comparisons here, in Acad you cannot filter objects as quick as you can do it in Revit, and there are a lot of things you can do in Revit that in Acad you can't

    So IMHO this is your fist post here, so in lieu of complaining about the tool you'll show us how you can deal whit those lack of functionalities you're talking in your post.

    Revit can bring you the same level or even better that ACAD you just need to stop complain about it and learning how to deal with it. Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by WelcomeToAccord View Post
    1. The "Midway between twopoints" command: I used this a ton when I used AutoCADArchitecture to compete in a drafting conference. It saved me time andguaranteed accurate results. Revit doesn't have this function, and my researchhas led me to believe that I would have to run a complex script or use aspecial component as work-around.
    As a former MicroStation user I miss not being able to subdivide distances by any number on-the-fly (not just at midpoints) but I've got a simple line-based generic model I can drop in as a guide when I need to arrange objects and specific fractional sub-divisions. Yes its not as fast as how I previously used to do things but its not a huge hassle either, just adapt to how things are done in Revit and don't look back.
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    You misspelled MicroSatan. I hated that program but it kept me employed through the recession.
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