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    Hi Twiceroadsfool,

    I am looking at a similar setup (please do direct me to any past posts if you have addressed this).

    In my situation I have a number of laptops that leave the office and are used remotely. I was hoping to install Revit server on each of these, on the server in the office and was hoping to be able to access via VPN (I know you not a fan of VPN but you did mention this could be possible a number of years back).

    At the moment I also have one machine located interstate and this access a local machine via HP Remote Graphics software (do you have an opinion on RGS?). I know ideally I would have this set up for the other laptops (not relay feasible) or use something along the lines of HVE (looking into this option as well).

    I have discussed you setup and HVE with you at a number of conferences but I have the memory of a gold fish and it is only now that I am in a position to look at these options in depth.

    Any help would be appreciated..

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    When i worked at a company 3 years ago we did exactly the same.
    The remote laptops had revit server on them installed and connected over 4g with VPN to the ''real'' server at the office.
    This actually worked very good.

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    I wouldn't expect to be using Revit Server as a long-term solution.
    It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Autodesk drop the software as an option in the near future.
    They're pushing everyone to C4R/BIM 360.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickydact View Post
    Hi Twiceroadsfool,

    I am looking at a similar setup (please do direct me to any past posts if you have addressed this).

    In my situation I have a number of laptops that leave the office and are used remotely. I was hoping to install Revit server on each of these, on the server in the office and was hoping to be able to access via VPN (I know you not a fan of VPN but you did mention this could be possible a number of years back).


    Firstly: Words Matter.

    It isnt that "im not a fan" of VPN, its that VPN isnt supported and will corrupt a Revit file, WHEN used with STANDARD Worksharing. Revit Server is a different animal, and is built on a completely different file structure and syncing system, than standard worksharing is. And VPN works with Revit Server.

    As MJA stated, it does work fine, as long as you know the *rules* to working with a "custom personal accelerator" as we called them. For instance, if someone does a SWC, and then immediately shuts off their laptop, they will sack the project team (lock the model). They have to stay online long enough for the accelerator program to finish syncing in the background.

    But yes, it all works, technically. Unfortunately, i cant talk you through all the steps to do it, as they change with different versions of Windows, and different versions of Revit Servers.

    Ive done it as recently as installing Revit Server 2018 on Windows 10, but it was many more steps than the original "edit the ini file and turn on IIS" that was true in Windows 7.

    At the moment I also have one machine located interstate and this access a local machine via HP Remote Graphics software (do you have an opinion on RGS?). I know ideally I would have this set up for the other laptops (not relay feasible) or use something along the lines of HVE (looking into this option as well).
    If i was expected to do this as a long term solution, i would invest in physical desktops that would get TERADICI remote workstation cards (which would mean they could not be used physically on site, as they would be remote only), but thats the only way i would PERSONALLY ever tolerate a remote graphics station that wasnt real VDI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveP
    I wouldn't expect to be using Revit Server as a long-term solution.
    It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Autodesk drop the software as an option in the near future.
    They're pushing everyone to C4R/BIM 360.


    While that's *probably* true, the only people citing it as *fact* (and to be clear, im not saying that you are) are Resellers pushing BIM360 licenses. Autodesk hasn't officially announced (to anyone) that Revit Server is going away. Some Resellers are saying they have, and that's a bold faced lie (at worst), and an "assumption" at Best. It will probably happen, but who knows when? 2020? 2021?

    Given that the new platforms releases are around April, i personally would LIKE to think that if the decision was made to axe Revit Server and not release it for the 2020 version, that they would give firms a LONG lead time, to prepare. Now, people cite some bullshit to me about "publicly traded and blah blah blah," and i buy exactly none of it: Publicly traded companies announce they are killing products off all the time, and many of them give more than quarterly advanced notice. But i digress, its neither here nor there:

    For me, Revit Server and BIM 360 do completely different things: One is still internal to a domain, and just across a WAN. Thats Revit Server. The other offers inter-firm (multi domain) collaboration, additional functionality, additional features, and so on, and thats BIM 360 Design.

    it Autodesk axes Revit Server, and their *answer* to Revit Server is BIM 360 Design, they will basically be telling a number of companies to "get f**ked, because they arent important.* Migrating from Revit Server to BIM 360 Design isnt a small undertaking, and if ALL you are looking for is WAN collaboration for Revit, its a Nuclear Bomb to smoke out a gopher in your front lawn. BIM 360 Design is great for what it is for, but i wouldnt say its for that.

    Then again, i dont make any decisions at or for Autodesk, so it wouldnt surprise me if they axe it in the next couple of years. I think it would be a mistake, but it wouldnt be the first thing they did that i considered a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool
    ...Given that the new platforms releases are around April, i personally would LIKE to think that if the decision was made to axe Revit Server and not release it for the 2020 version, that they would give firms a LONG lead time, to prepare...
    If they do stop providing Revit Server then they might find that firms stop dead in their tracks and stop upgrading to the next version of Revit. At least those that object to going to BIM 360 and hosting their projects on Autodesk servers, which have not been very impressive lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
    If they do stop providing Revit Server then they might find that firms stop dead in their tracks and stop upgrading to the next version of Revit. At least those that object to going to BIM 360 and hosting their projects on Autodesk servers, which have not been very impressive lately.
    My honest gut-feeling is that if-and-when they announce that Revit Server is being terminated, a decent number of firms will not upgrade that year: Not out of anger or protest, but out of sheer inability.

    It will take some time for those firms to come to grips with:

    1. Having to manage Autodesk Accounts for all users
    2. Having to get subscriptions for BIM 360 Design
    3. Having to understand the onboarding process for Models for sharing
    4. Shock and Awe of Hard Drive size increases required
    5. Shock and Awe of internet bandwidth requirements and File Open times, on initial opens
    6. Difference in archival processes

    And all of that is before (or after) you take in to account what Steve mentioned: The simple "are they willing to host their model data elsewhere" question.

    If *I* were them, i would want to keep Revit Server going for as long as possible. Because its the ONLY way (aside from VDI) to work across a WAN, thats stable and reliable, without putting the firms in a financial chokehold of having to buy *more stuff.* But..... Im just a measly Practice Technology Consultant. What do i know? LOL

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    I can imagine Autodesk's Finance Leaders may be thinking or having conversations as such.... if a Server runs an average of $20k with software costs included & it's at every office location. Maybe they're thinking we should promote BIM 360 more & siphon those fees towards us as bandwidth is increasingly getting cheaper, but keep supporting RS "existing" deployments. Yeah, we'll just start "limiting" access to "new" RS deployments starting on our yearly Showcase....

    It wouldn't surprise me if a conversation like this hasn't transpired to some extent between some, lol.

    #GreenEyedMonster

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    Any IT manager that pays anywhere close to 20k for a "server" to run Revit (for any company under 10000 people) is getting goddamned hosed.

    A Revit server box can be built for under 2000 dollars. Seriously.

    Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

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    I love saying $20k cause I had an IT manager once that would say that amount every time a server needed replacing/upgrading/fixing for a Blade, lol, but yeah, $2k to $4K for a Tower.

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    Thank you all for your replies and sorry Twiceroadsfool about the my wording regarding VPN's as always you have been very helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Firstly: Words Matter.

    If i was expected to do this as a long term solution, i would invest in physical desktops that would get TERADICI remote workstation cards (which would mean they could not be used physically on site, as they would be remote only), but thats the only way i would PERSONALLY ever tolerate a remote graphics station that wasnt real VDI.

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    I am now looking into TERADICI, It dose look as though HP RGS is comparable to TERADICI do anyone or anyone else have any experience with HP RGS? I would like to know if this should or should not be an option to my situation.

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