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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Pin them and when you walk the room keep a keen eye out for users who don't have the five Xs...
    Hahaha. I only keep 2/5 of those things locked. I select Links, Faces, and Pinned Items all the time. If you can read, those three shouldnt present a problem, in my opinion.

    EDIT: Levels and Grids in their own model drives me downright crazy, too. You have to have them in your actual model, so you can adjust the grid heads on a view by view basis. Which means you have the "Linked Model Levels and Grids" turned off in most documentation views anyway, at which point it really just exists as a check. And every time someone has to edit a level or grid, they have to go open another file, OR they get lazy and only do it in the current file, and then there is that to deal with. And the levels and grids can still be exported separately for 3D coordination.

    It doesnt drive me AS crazy as other things, but all things considered, i wont ever put them in their own file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Hahaha. I only keep 2/5 of those things locked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    If you can read,
    "can" all too often gives over to "won't" - but I totally hear you, I "just" prefer to (enforce) safe-not-sorry.

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    Hey, knock yourself out. Press and Drag is the only one of the five i consider ENFORCING. The other 4, all vary on user preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post




    "can" all too often gives over to "won't" - but I totally hear you, I "just" prefer to (enforce) safe-not-sorry.
    WOW, Sagat!!! Great fighter
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    Drag elements on Selection is ALWAYS on my PC! I've gotten so used to it that it is down right depressing to work with it off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    EDIT: Levels and Grids in their own model drives me downright crazy, too. You have to have them in your actual model, so you can adjust the grid heads on a view by view basis. Which means you have the "Linked Model Levels and Grids" turned off in most documentation views anyway, at which point it really just exists as a check. And every time someone has to edit a level or grid, they have to go open another file, OR they get lazy and only do it in the current file, and then there is that to deal with. And the levels and grids can still be exported separately for 3D coordination.

    It doesnt drive me AS crazy as other things, but all things considered, i wont ever put them in their own file.
    *Note to self, if working with Aaron on a project, go out of way to put levels and grids in a separate model*
    I think that mentality was born before Dynamo and selecting pinned elements and when you could delete a pinned element without warning.
    How would you treat a flat horizontal project that would need to be split up into links? Each model only has the grids they need?

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    There is a whole other conversation that has to happen, there: Why (what circumstances) necessitate it being broken up in to Links? Not asking to be facetious, but the answer to that question would very well change my answer about how id handle the grids. Thats why it matters.

    FWIW, i typically dont pin them, either. But if i was going to Pin them, id just Select All Instances in the Project and hit Pin. I guess if you have a bunch of Grid TYPES, you might want Dynamo to do it. Ive used it to pin and unpin viewports, for a number of reasons, lol.

    But were diving off on to separate issues: Whats the GOAL of having the grids in another file? Is it security (making sure someone doesnt mess with them)? Backup (When they wreck them you know where there is a copy in the right place)? Distribution (for consultants or coordination)?

    If its security, its not saving you, since you have to have them copied in to your file (hence the linked grids are hidden) or you cant adjust grid heads in any views, unless youre trying to do that all through Linked Views, which makes me want to stab myself in the eye.

    If its Backup, a PDF does the same thing, and then you dont have to edit two sets of grids in two models.

    If its for consultants and coordination: If they need to use the OTHER file to get the grids, why cant they do the same with your building file that has the grids in it?

    All im saying (personal opinion) is all of the *reasons* i hear for doing it, arent actually solved by putting them in another file. its a false sense of... whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    If its for consultants and coordination: If they need to use the OTHER file to get the grids, why cant they do the same with your building file that has the grids in it?
    Mega-site, multi-plot, masterplanning modelling mostly. With a little bit of "security" thrown in by having a "fixed" baseline kept-safe-distant from the fluid movement of (multiple) active, often stagger-staged-delivery-phase (project) models.

    It's a very CADdy thing to do I know, but by differentiating grids and levels* into a seperate "rule" model, no one need load "your" (or anyone's) building model when they don't want/have to - which is also key when contributing "blind" to very-wide-site-coordinaton when model releases aren't approved for cross-plot sharing (it's quite common). It (arguably) also helps expedite late-starters to join the game who want to secure sign off of their model placement setup without all the additional model weight.

    I'm not saying any of the above is ideal, or the workflow perfect by any means. Perhaps because it's one of the longest standing concepts of model coordination that I've employed that I've grown complacent about relying upon it (I certainly can't see where Dynamo could help here) - but it works - and (most) people "get it". And I like things that work and that people can understand.


    *though not necessarily all levels, but certainly key ordnances.

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    Right, but what im saying is they still have to have them all coordinated in their files IN ADDITION TO the "rules file," yes? So you get SOME security and convenience, and the price you pay is adding in the uncertainty of: What if the stuff in the individual files DOESNT match the *Rule Model?*

    BTW, i wouldnt slay dragons over the issue, myself. I dont personally do it, but im not hugely passionate about it. Just explaining why i dont bother. I get your reasons, though. It would just make me doubly nervous, having ANOTHER file out there. Another source of "could be wrong."

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