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    Dependent views for apartment types

    I use dependent views for splitting huge sites plans over several sheets when needed, works great.

    Some of our projects can have a dozen truly unique apartment types per floor, often caused by undulating facades and service arrangements on transition levels.

    I was discussing this today with the head of ID so thought I'd ask here if anyone successfully uses dependent views for apartment types? My thinking was once the individual apartment views were cropped accordingly, the full plate master view would be the working view. I'd love to give this a go but our projects are usually quite large and it's untested...

    Thoughts?

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    Yes, I always work this way for MEP models/drawings.

    Everyone works in complete coordination floor plans, so that everything can be seen.
    Then there is a complete floor plan for each discipline of drawing we have to produce (Electrical, HVAC, Piping...etc).
    I make a scope box that fits a particular sheet size and scale (eg. 1:50 on A1) and then copy that scope box to cover all the relevant parts of the project (Usually with some overlap so connections can be seen).
    Finally I have a dynamo script that makes all combinations of scope box, level and main floor plan as dependent views, with the right name/numbering etc.
    These views then get put on sheets, which as they are identical in size can also be automated. There are manual ways to do lots of dependent views too (Apply Dependents, from another view).

    The main thing to avoid with this method is changing your scope boxes after they have been sheeted, as that moves views on the sheets and you will have to correct them all.

    I think its a process that works well, and is also a step towards automating the conversion of a 3D model to 2D sheets.
    Ideally I would like to have everyone working on the project ONLY focusing on making the 3D design model and putting in the correct info, then press a button and the model gets sliced and diced, filtered and tagged, into all the 2D crap that people still want :P
    Not quite there yet though...
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    Some talk about it here: https://www.revitforum.org/architect...partments.html

    There was also a post that Aaron made about using scope boxes & dependent views vs callouts but damned if I can find it at the moment...

    I also use dependent views for almost everything. Much easier to keep track of everything, contrary to what my coworker says... I'll learn her one of these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cellophane View Post
    I'll learn her one of these days.
    This was going to be the general gist of a response I drafted earlier - it's takes a sound understanding of, and respect for, hierarchal nature.

    If your teams can understand groups-in-groups-in-groups and great-grandchildren-nesting, then go for it, but if not....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cellophane View Post
    Some talk about it here: [url]https://www.revitforum.org/architecture-general-revit-questions/34985-documenting-typical-apartments.html[/url
    I do remember that thread but i dont think our ID teams quite have the skills yet to comprehend those strategies. I will keep it bookmarked though!

    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post

    If your teams can understand groups-in-groups-in-groups and great-grandchildren-nesting...
    They absolutely do not

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    I do all of my apartment types as dependent views.

    IMHO it doesnt come anywhere close to the complexity of groups in groups of nested shared families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    IMHO it doesnt come anywhere close to the complexity of groups in groups of nested shared families.
    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

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    Humor me. Such as?

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    Just this week? A structure model copied several times over vertically. Once before similar but by being added to a very repetitious bathroom group.

    Whole sets of levels and grids deleted, nuking huge swathes of model.

    As many distinct bathroom and kitchen group variants as there are apartment group types negating their grouping entirely

    Per level single runs of curtain wall grouped, grouped again as a chain, group copied per level vertically, grouped again as a building... don't even ask.

    Families? I'm mostly to blame for complications like door handle>door handle set>hardware set>doorset.



    I'm sure we could* take this to whole other thread if there hasn't been one already!

    *but I had another idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I do all of my apartment types as dependent views.

    IMHO it doesnt come anywhere close to the complexity of groups in groups of nested shared families.
    Sweet. After another chat with the ID lead (who is just starting with Revit but picking it up very quickly) today, she is keen to try out dependant views. I must say it is a very nice change to have someone with years of autocad so eager to learn Revit.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    Just this week? A structure model copied several times over vertically. Once before similar but by being added to a very repetitious bathroom group.

    Whole sets of levels and grids deleted, nuking huge swathes of model.

    As many distinct bathroom and kitchen group variants as there are apartment group types negating their grouping entirely

    Per level single runs of curtain wall grouped, grouped again as a chain, group copied per level vertically, grouped again as a building... don't even ask.

    Families? I'm mostly to blame for complications like door handle>door handle set>hardware set>doorset.



    I'm sure we could* take this to whole other thread if there hasn't been one already!

    *but I had another idea.
    ive seen the linked-model-added-to-a-group thing a number of times. These days i often laugh so i dont cry. Ive resorted to putting setout reference planes and linked consultant models on to design options to stop the shenanigans.
    Deleted sheets is another one. I just dont know how these people think sometimes.
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