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    Make title block north sign to rotate according to plan orientation

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    I work on a project that has some custom title blocks and they have an option to show the north sign. When selecting the title block, there are two options: to show project north or true north.
    Now....I have several sheets with interior room plans and some of them are rotated at different orientations to fit on the page. Although the plans are rotated, the project north remains unchanged on all sheets. Is it possible to make project north to automatically rotate and match with the orientation of each viewport? Does it make any change if the plan is rotated in the sheet or in the actual view?

    Can please someone explain me the process in detail, as I am a newbie with Revit? Thanks in advance.

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    Short answer: Youll need an external app, or Dynamo, to do it. And it will depend (directly) on how that firms Title Block, Type, and North Arrow is achieved, as there are many ways to do that.

    Long answer: Youll need an app or Dynamo to poll all the views on the sheet, check their orientation, ALSO check their scope box, ALSO check their crop region rotation, ALSO check the scope box rotation from TN or PN, THEN have it edit the north arrow, which MIGHT mean needing to make different types of titleblocks, or place different annotations (north arrows), or some combination of the two. Itll also have to be error trapped for what it does if there are plans with more than one orientation on a sheet.

    And all of that will vary based on how each office builds titleblocks and north arrows, respectively. My north arrows dont go in the titleblocks, for that reason. They are Symbols placed on the sheet. Still requires a bunch of work if you want it to be automated.

    But, as an ARCHITECTURAL standard, i also DO NOT rotate plans of rooms from how they are oriented on the main plans.
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    Thank you! It is more complex than I thought. I will have to find out how the title block was built then first!

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    How about just placing a north arrow annotation on your floor plans? Use a generic annotation not a model element so it doesnt show up in schedules, clashes 3D views etc. Set to the correct angle in one view and with a single "Paste to selected views" place it on every relevant view.
    Then however you rotate your scope boxes or views on sheets it will still always point the right way. Keep it simple....

    http://revit-waterman.blogspot.nl/20...n-360-and.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    How about just placing a north arrow annotation on your floor plans? Use a generic annotation not a model element so it doesnt show up in schedules, clashes 3D views etc. Set to the correct angle in one view and with a single "Paste to selected views" place it on every relevant view.
    Then however you rotate your scope boxes or views on sheets it will still always point the right way. Keep it simple....

    Revit @ Waterman: Rotate a Generic Annotation 360° and Beyond - A Method
    Thanks josephpeel, I watched the video. I understand that it gives to the north sign family a rotation angle attribute. I suppose there is an even simpler way by inserting the basic annotation family and rotate it manually within the model.
    However in my case there is already a north sign integrated into the title block, so I have already asked someone from the firm to inform me how it can work from the title block itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    But, as an ARCHITECTURAL standard, i also DO NOT rotate plans of rooms from how they are oriented on the main plans.
    I can't tell you how frustrated I get when I try and tell my colleagues that this is a fundamental rule and they just look at me like I crawled form under some rock! Can't people see how ignoring this is practically guaranteed to confuse the hell out of contractors, etc.?

    This is a particularly embarassing lesson that I learned in my School of Architecture when I made this mistake and during my crit was made to take drawings down and rehang them with the plans at the correct orientation. Never made that mistake again.
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    My approach to the North point issue is to include the symbol in my key plan, so it will always have the same orientation on every sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john.warburton View Post
    I can't tell you how frustrated I get when I try and tell my colleagues that this is a fundamental rule and they just look at me like I crawled form under some rock! Can't people see how ignoring this is practically guaranteed to confuse the hell out of contractors, etc.?

    This is a particularly embarassing lesson that I learned in my School of Architecture when I made this mistake and during my crit was made to take drawings down and rehang them with the plans at the correct orientation. Never made that mistake again.
    I find this to be an interesting subject of conversation. In my industry (glass & glazing/curtain wall) a view is always oriented to be exterior pointing down on the page for plan views and exterior is pointing left on the page for section views. Completely opposite what Architect's and others do. So, I rotate all plan views that are not South facing (on a project where North is up) and I flip the section view marker every time I place one. I've been detailing curtain wall for 48+ years and have yet to ever hear a complaint about view orientation on my drawings. But, maybe all of my Contractors are secretly p*ssed off at me? ;-P
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    Can we all just agree to kill off key plans once and for all today and never speak about them again please?

    Not that I'm tired of seeing cute little section markers hand-drawn on them as a(n in)convenient get-out from proper sheet callout referencing practices... much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john.warburton View Post
    I can't tell you how frustrated I get when I try and tell my colleagues that this is a fundamental rule and they just look at me like I crawled form under some rock! Can't people see how ignoring this is practically guaranteed to confuse the hell out of contractors, etc.?

    This is a particularly embarassing lesson that I learned in my School of Architecture when I made this mistake and during my crit was made to take drawings down and rehang them with the plans at the correct orientation. Never made that mistake again.
    Unfortunately, its really NOT an industry standard. Id say the firms ive worked for (a lot, including current clients) are split about 50/50 on whether they will reorient room plans on sheets.

    Drives me crazy, though. I dont mind making more sheets, so i NEVER change a rotation unless there is an obscene reason to.
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