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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarchitect View Post
    yah but these are 1:300 views of an 80m long building where the developer wants to see the type + size of unit, so having all the unit elements interferes with the clarity of the plans. so, we definitely have a good reason!
    We disagree, on what a good reason is. I do site plans with all the units on, too. But to each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    We disagree, on what a good reason is. I do site plans with all the units on, too. But to each their own.

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    So if your client says "don't show the units, we just want to see what type of unit is where via the labels" you'd show them anyway because revit?

    I don't always agree with everything requested but sometimes I just do things to appease the powers that be, especially if they're paying our bills and giving us the next job.
    however, it's a huuuuuge uphill battle with some of the traditional cad guys. good lord. they can't even read plans properly when we have area reference lines displayed (the non-printing "x"s that show you where your areas terminate) and they want everything to look like their CAD drawings and excel schedules, so I have enough of an uphill battle as it is!

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    Who said anything about "because revit?" I'd show them because the stuff is really there. At best, I'd halftone or lighten it, for the plan that just showed the overall unit labels.

    But showing a plan with the contents of the building core and shell, and the demise walls, and just "leaving out" the units... It wouldn't sit well with me at all.

    But, "the client demands it" would certainly make me do it. Absolutely. "Its at 1:300 so we think it's a really good reason" wouldn't.

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    Was chatting with someone offline about this thread and just wanted to add a couple of things:

    * Another reason for documenting apartments out of context: the Interiors team fully documented and completed "their" work in context, but then the stacking of the levels in the building changed so all of the wet area elevations needed to be adjusted. Who was going to do this?

    * Cross referencing another thread on Groups Best Practice https://www.revitforum.org/architect...er-models.html , including my own list https://www.revitforum.org/architect...-models-3.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMcDowellJr View Post
    Would you be up for sharing that?
    No problem, it was the first thing I wrote in Dynamo for Revit 2018(?) when we got the ability to add parameters to the Groups themselves.

    https://twitter.com/Bjorni_K/status/852862924653817859

    A bit more refined now, with Input fields to use in the Dynamo Player.

    Documenting typical apartments-push_group_value_to_members.png

    The difference between what Aaron is using his for and this one is that I get the question a lot to split the contents of the units by the particular Unit Number. So not only do we have to split the real units from the "cloud" units, but then I also have to seperate my units.

    So my filters are the other way around, the cloud units have an empty value, the real units have the Unit Number. The presence of the Unit Number makes them show up in the schedules, the value of the unit numbers determines where they show up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarchitect View Post
    So if your client says "don't show the units, we just want to see what type of unit is where via the labels" you'd show them anyway because revit?

    I don't always agree with everything requested but sometimes I just do things to appease the powers that be, especially if they're paying our bills and giving us the next job.
    Roark 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellophane View Post
    Roark 'em!
    Ha!

    I honestly don't see why it's a big deal. It's a graphic unit layout plan that's used as a marketing team reference... who cares about unit layouts. We have the regular drawing set for that.

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    [QUOTE=Twiceroadsfool;187182]

    I don't include the exterior envelope walls in the unit groups themselves, which cuts down on the number of groups considerably.

    Aaron,
    If you don't include the exterior envelope walls in the unit groups, do your unit sheets not have exterior walls? Are you showing a generic stud wall without an exterior finish on the unit sheets? Do you separate the exterior envelope walls from the unit core walls and if so, do you have to match the openings in both walls or do you join the walls?

    Gregory Anderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by boujou99 View Post

    Aaron,
    If you don't include the exterior envelope walls in the unit groups, do your unit sheets not have exterior walls? Are you showing a generic stud wall without an exterior finish on the unit sheets? Do you separate the exterior envelope walls from the unit core walls and if so, do you have to match the openings in both walls or do you join the walls?

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    They show a generic wall that isn't even called a stud wall. Exterior walls are detailed in wall sections and plan details. Unit plans are explicitly for what happens inbound of the unit boundary. I don't call out materials or wall types on the demise walls or corridor walls, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boujou99 View Post
    Aaron,
    If you don't include the exterior envelope walls in the unit groups, do your unit sheets not have exterior walls? Are you showing a generic stud wall without an exterior finish on the unit sheets? Do you separate the exterior envelope walls from the unit core walls and if so, do you have to match the openings in both walls or do you join the walls?

    Gregory Anderson
    We do the match opening approach - we primarily work with window wall which has a backup stud assembly where there is spandrel panel. That wall is a part of the unit and gets coordinated in-place in the overall model to match the exterior window-wall. Then when you go to the unit matrix, you know where to put the wall.

    I know I will get flak for this but, we found the easiest thing was to put one generic wall across the entire envelope side of the unit, and then use a generic window family (which contains a masking region) to show the windows. Similar to aaron's philosophy, since the purchaser isn't buying mullion locations on the envelope side of the wall, we can get away with a solid black fill for everything. We found that the generic annotative families are way faster and easier than model elements, so that's the call we made.

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