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    Quote Originally Posted by Knitro87 View Post
    Hardy any mention of Helvetica. Confirmed: Revit users hate graphic designers.
    One of my previous companies did a huge brand/logo change and IT thought it would be fun to change all the fonts on our computers to match the new brand fonts.... Little did they know that by doing this Revit and AutoCAD would not open. Luckily I got in early before anyone else and fixed it before IT got in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephpeel View Post
    So long as its not Comic Sans.. for which the only appropriate penalty is death.
    Wingdings FTW Best fonts for annotation-insert-symbol-win.png

    Quote Originally Posted by Knitro87 View Post
    Hardly any mention of Helvetica. Confirmed: Revit users hate graphic designers.
    First.......Helvetics is not a windows system font. This is bad news for sending models to others
    Second...Helvetica isn't free. At least not the officially licensed version. Business tend to want to do things legally.
    Thirdly...We are not sign makers, newspapers or graphic designers.

    Don't get me wrong I love Helvetica. I think it was the first real main stream font that didn't have serifs. (2007 movie Helvetica was very interesting) But for the 1st and 2nd reasons its not a logical font to use with Revit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knitro87 View Post
    Hardly any mention of Helvetica. Confirmed: Revit users hate graphic designers.
    Or Microsoft is cheap and has no taste, and thus in Windows you don't get Helvetica included, you get the abomination that is Arial. I use Helvetica Neue for a lot of branding stuff, video titles, documents, that kind of thing. The kerning in Helvetica is SO much better, amongst other things. But I am not going to pay a couple hundred $ for the typeface in Windows. If I was going down that road I would buy Gotham & Idlewild.

    But I would say it isn't that Revit users hate graphic designers, it's that Revit programmers don't value graphic design. But then you just need to look at the icons Autodesk paid for to see just how little taste Autodesk has. Dear god, they just look embarrasing. But I digress.

    By the way, the history of Arial is interesting. A cheap "generic sans serif; almost a bland sans serif." And that's the designer saying that!

    BTW, Alex, I have seen an office use Helvetia for presentation titles very successfully, but yeah, for anything but titles it sucks. I like the hinting at serifs in Calibri, it helps the readability without looking like a typeset book, which WOULD be easier to read but would make too many Architects who don't understand typography crap themselves. :0
    And I forgot to mention one other thing I like about Calibri is that at large sizes and bold it is a very good title face, while at small size and normal face it's great for body text. Having a single face in CDs simplifies things. For presentations I like a common font for body text (Tekton etc) and then a title font chosen for the project. Presentations for an Ivy League school SHOULD have a different title font from one for, say, a modern film studio. Tekton is nice because it works with basically any title font, as long as the title font is only used for titles.

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    I was just being facetious with my "Helvetica" comment. Everyone put down your pitchforks!

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    What are your thoughts on consultants having a different style font for their drawings? Do you require them to use your font or do you let them use their own, so long as it is legible?

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    Personally I have never seen an office force a particular primary font, mostly because doing so would be a nightmare to go change all the families. ADSK should have a font style concept, so a single change changes everything, but they don't, so it's a bag of hurt.
    What I do see is a requirement for sharing a title block, and then making the right choice in font for the title block is important. Mostly the issue is Architects mandating the common title block and then not designing it to support consultant logos and stamps. And supporting a shared title block for consultants in Acad is a pain because Acad handles images differently, and in Revit title blocks logos are usually images.
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    Ive never seen a Lead Design Firm mandate a font to consultants, but i HAVE seen Clients do it. And i HAVE seen project requirements do it. And in those cases, i would fully expect all parties to purchase their fonts legally, and handle it appropriately.

    For me, frankly... The font discussion is non-value-adding. I just dont believe (in my heart of heart) that it matters much. Ive done architecture in Architext, Arial, Arial Narrow, AHand, RomanS, Calibri, and a Korean font i dont have the name too. All the buildings got built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Ive never seen a Lead Design Firm mandate a font to consultants, but i HAVE seen Clients do it. And i HAVE seen project requirements do it. And in those cases, i would fully expect all parties to purchase their fonts legally, and handle it appropriately.

    For me, frankly... The font discussion is non-value-adding. I just dont believe (in my heart of heart) that it matters much. Ive done architecture in Architext, Arial, Arial Narrow, AHand, RomanS, Calibri, and a Korean font i dont have the name too. All the buildings got built.
    a voice of reason! I even went so far this morning to check out Calibri font. Looks nice I thought, then thought about changing my standard from Arial to Calibri and the more I thought about it the more I realized that the change does not make my drawings better, does not make me any more money, doesn't impress anyone else AFAIK. And, as Gordon says, the process to "change fonts" isn't a step to be taken lightly. A big ol bag 'o worms for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Ive never seen a Lead Design Firm mandate a font to consultants, but i HAVE seen Clients do it. And i HAVE seen project requirements do it. And in those cases, i would fully expect all parties to purchase their fonts legally, and handle it appropriately.
    Quite - and (thankfully) more often than not in my experience the choice of font has been for a cross-platform, common, system font, like, er, Arial - because (I can only presume) the client/project making that call desires uniformity over everything else. And that is a good thing, and anyone who resists that desire/aim, is, in my mind, a belligerent fool.

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    I do wish that there was a Setting in Revit, like AutoCAD's "Standard" Text Style. Change that one Style & they all would update Project Wide.
    I did a Change a few years back from Arial to Calibri .... Never want to do that again in a hurry

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