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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    You and many others. We've done global performance testing, and determined that the performance was not acceptably fast for us to expand commercial availability. We do have some project teams in many global locations as "scouts", and we will be working with them to evaluate performance improvements we make. Once we get feedback from those teams that the performance is ready for *********, then we'll make the service commercially available.

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    Ah i see. I'm assuming that was tested with data centres located in different continents etc. That is one of the big issues I faced with Revit Server. It worked fine within our countries borders, however linking to international companies with "inferior" technical infrastructure, it tends to fall down, unless we employed additional 3rd party hardware etc.
    Is there a time frame we can discuss on here or is that still under wraps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Is there a time frame we can discuss on here or is that still under wraps?
    Unfortunately no. If you spent lots of development time on a new collaboration service and it wasn't acceptably fast globally, yet your core product is used globally, would you make it a high priority to resolve?

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    When will C4R 2016 be available, the roadmap states it should have already been out, and has been updated to slip to the 10th of may, and I still cannot find it.
    Is it still on hold or something, or is it out but not known where the download is located?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Unfortunately no. If you spent lots of development time on a new collaboration service and it wasn't acceptably fast globally, yet your core product is used globally, would you make it a high priority to resolve?

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    Well sure, I would....doesn't mean the factory will
    So, does it hinge on the completion of the national broadband network as well or perhaps the construction /supply of local data centres?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post

    This is purposely located in a corner of the drive, because team members using Revit shouldn't really need to ever go there to do anything, nor does the BIM Manager. Team members just navigate to A360 within Revit's file browser, and Revit makes sure they are working on fresh local versions of the Cloud Workshared model in A360 Collaboration for Revit (C4R).

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    I'm not sure I agree with never needing access to the local file. The role back feature is very useful, but when working in a network environment, you only have access to a set number of STC actions. Does the C4R save all STC's regardless of the number?

    When working on a local file, we also have access to the local file backup directory which allows role back for an individual user. So if I have 20 STC in the central file backup directory, an individual user may have 2 of the 20. But locally they will have 20, is that not true?

    Also, we often find that we need to "promote" a local to become a new central rather than role back to an earlier version of the central. This may be because one user has done something to "corrupt" the central and thus we canvas the local files to determine which is the best option to become the new central. We have also used local files to grab an element a user has edited or created to add back to a central file after a role back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with never needing access to the local file. The role back feature is very useful, but when working in a network environment, you only have access to a set number of STC actions. Does the C4R save all STC's regardless of the number?
    Yes, that is exactly what it does.
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    When working on a local file, we also have access to the local file backup directory which allows role back for an individual user. So if I have 20 STC in the central file backup directory, an individual user may have 2 of the 20. But locally they will have 20, is that not true?
    Yes and no. While there is the ability to roll back locally in non-Cloud Worksharing scenarios, in practice it's pretty limited. This is because many of the local backups are out-of-date relative to the central model, so rolling back to most local backups requires replacing the Central Model as well. Really the only scenarios that are addressed here are those when the user is saving locally, but does not do a SWC operation. They can then roll back to a previous version without ending up with a local that's incompatible with the central.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson View Post
    Also, we often find that we need to "promote" a local to become a new central rather than role back to an earlier version of the central. This may be because one user has done something to "corrupt" the central and thus we canvas the local files to determine which is the best option to become the new central. We have also used local files to grab an element a user has edited or created to add back to a central file after a role back.
    Yep, this is an edge case that is not fully handled with our current approach. Our main investment here has actually been to invest heavily in preventing corruption in the first place, which has resulted in a measurable decrease in support volume to recover data. Beyond that, our approach to save every SWC in the cloud + allow rollback covers the vast majority of scenarios communicated by customers like yourselves.

    Ultimately this comes down to tradeoffs. We - with me as the main "neck to wring" - made a product decision to simplify the product experience for team members by removing the cognitive overhead of local files, by automatically managing the local cache. Doing that required us to provide a managed UX for disaster recovery, and we chose to implement a workflow at the cloud-level. Doing the same for local backups was additional scope, and we made the judgement call that there was diminishing returns for the scenarios that scope addresses. The tradeoff was increased focus around service quality and performance.

    The current behavior is not etched in stone. If we see compelling market feedback to justify the investment here, relative to other areas of investment, we will likely change the current behavior. It is highly unlikely that the hypothetical investment would re-introduce local file management to team members. Thus far, we have not seen significant feedback to justify the investment.

    We'd welcome feedback on this topic.

    -Kyle
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    Is there a way to access, or see, the most up to date A360 central model without opening Revit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamMeil View Post
    Is there a way to access, or see, the most up to date A360 central model without opening Revit?
    When you say "access, or see, the most up to date A360 central model without opening Revit", what exactly are you looking to do? Download the RVT? View it in the browser? The answer here will dictate my answer to your original question.

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    May the files in \collaborationcache\ be deleted when the project is no longer active? I have users with many gigs of unused data in there on small SSD drives.

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    Yes, you can do that.

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