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    Revit 2014: Wall join to Column overides column display

    FYI, When you snap a wall to an Architectural Column, it will wrap the finish layers around the column and override it's material to have the same graphics as the core layer of the wall. Even when you disallow join. This does not happen with a Structural Column family. BTW, you cannot swap Structural Columns for Architectural Columns, since they are different Family categories.

    Anyone know when this behavior started? 2014?
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    I don't know this is entirely accurate. I have the problem with structural columns getting "joined" into walls and taking hatch of the wall. Can you show me an example of a wall not taking over a structural column? I haven't had this work for me, ever. This happens in coarse views for sure. It is a real problem where you have a concrete column and a cmu wall. The Concrete column will switch to CMU hatch and look like it is part of the wall. I've mentioned this to Autodesk a few times and their response has been mostly "that is the way it is supposed to behave".

    I've tried creating a void in the column family to cut the wall but unfortunately this has to be a special family as (at least in 2013) the void, if not cutting anything, will print a faint outline if it isn't cutting anything. Also it requires you to run through the cut tool to make it really work. Our work around has been to manually split the walls in this condition. It is accurate to what will happen in construction but is quite a pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBIMtastic View Post
    Anyone know when this behavior started? 2014?
    I know it was around when I first started with Revit 8.1... I have always used structural columns because of this...unless I needed a popout column that wasn't structural.

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    Maybe I'm missing something. Is this what you avoid by using structural columns?

    Revit 2014: Wall join to Column overides column display-columnjoin.png

    Cause those are structural concrete columns with a 10" cmu wall. Granted this is at coarse view, which is the default for us (structural).

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    Looks like it starts in 2013 (unless I'm doing something wrong.) Image on the left is Revit Architecture 2012, the middle is Revit 2013 and the right is Revit 2014. In each image the column on the left is an Architectural Column and the one on the right is a Structural Column.

    Revit 2014: Wall join to Column overides column display-2012_columns.pngRevit 2014: Wall join to Column overides column display-2013_columns.pngClick image for larger version. 

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    Is this at coarse or medium view? Cause I've had this problem since at least 2008. If it is at medium I do know that they've been messing with the functionality of this piece off and on for the last few releases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRWhitehead View Post
    Is this at coarse or medium view? Cause I've had this problem since at least 2008. If it is at medium I do know that they've been messing with the functionality of this piece off and on for the last few releases.
    Fine, Medium and Coarse all behave the same. I wonder if Revit Structure behaves differently? Wouldn't be the first instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBIMtastic View Post
    Looks like it starts in 2013 (unless I'm doing something wrong.) Image on the left is Revit Architecture 2012, the middle is Revit 2013 and the right is Revit 2014. In each image the column on the left is an Architectural Column and the one on the right is a Structural Column.

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    Move the walls for the RAC 2012 to the edge of the column like your other versions....it should do the same. Architectural columns have always taken on the material of the wall type, it just happens. The only way a structural column will do the same is if the materials are the same, which is never the case unless your working with all concrete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
    Move the walls for the RAC 2012 to the edge of the column like your other versions....it should do the same. Architectural columns have always taken on the material of the wall type, it just happens. The only way a structural column will do the same is if the materials are the same, which is never the case unless your working with all concrete.

    Nope, I just got lazy and didn't align them in 2012. I started them all from near the middle. Here's the results after aligning.
    Revit 2014: Wall join to Column overides column display-take2_2012_columns.png

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    Unjoin Geometry breaks the association between the column and wall.
    This behavior started in the olden days.
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