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    Silver Bullet Key Plan?

    Has anyone found the best way to create a key plan with the least amount of work? I have been though more than one way of constructing a usable key plan, but it seems that no matter what direction I take, there are too many steps that are not quite 'Best Practice' in my estimation.

    Any thoughts are appreciated,...

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    Our most useable output has been through this process:
    a) export a plan to dwg
    b) insert plan dwg into a Generic Annotation (scale to anticipated use)
    c) Create outlines and filled regions for building zones
    d) Add visibility controls over filled regions corresponding to Type for each zone
    e) Team decides whether to embed into project specific Titleblocks (type per building zone - works best for large projects)
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    e) Add as a symbol to Legends (separate legend per building zone)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aperte View Post
    Our most useable output has been through this process:
    a) export a plan to dwg
    b) insert plan dwg into a Generic Annotation (scale to anticipated use)
    c) Create outlines and filled regions for building zones
    d) Add visibility controls over filled regions corresponding to Type for each zone
    e) Team decides whether to embed into project specific Titleblocks (type per building zone - works best for large projects)
    or
    e) Add as a symbol to Legends (separate legend per building zone)
    Then remove the .dwg I hope!!!

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    I make a generic annotation family that I nest into sheets and control zone visibility parametrically. I might also place it on views. One thing to save yourself a world of pain is taking a very abstract approach to "drawing" the building - omit as much as you can whilst still conveying the geometric, spatial shape of the building - both in plan and section. You will find that the line-length limit will actually force you to do this anyway with projects that need a v.large scale for the key plan.

    That said, I would do away with them altogether if I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aperte View Post
    Our most useable output has been through this process:
    a) export a plan to dwg
    b) insert plan dwg into a Generic Annotation (scale to anticipated use)
    c) Create outlines and filled regions for building zones
    d) Add visibility controls over filled regions corresponding to Type for each zone
    e) Team decides whether to embed into project specific Titleblocks (type per building zone - works best for large projects)
    or
    e) Add as a symbol to Legends (separate legend per building zone)
    This is actually the method that I use currently,...it is effective, but time consuming and not very 'BIM'.
    I am wondering if an automated approach can be employed.

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    We initially tried with Site Plans, then Area Plans, all had serious frustrations. The Generic Annotation method takes a bit of time, and does NOT update to major changes to the building geometry, but once it's done its streamlined and very easy to use throughout hundreds of pages of documentation. That was the tipping point issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aperte View Post
    We initially tried with Site Plans, then Area Plans, all had serious frustrations. The Generic Annotation method takes a bit of time, and does NOT update to major changes to the building geometry, but once it's done its streamlined and very easy to use throughout hundreds of pages of documentation. That was the tipping point issue.
    Thanks for your input,...I will continue with this method

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    As SnowyWeston mentioned, abstracted key plans are the way to go, no need (in my opinion) to invoke any .dwg export or import in most every case.

    One can draw a simplified key plan easily enough that relates to the bldg shape(s) and unless there is a complete redesign there is (usually) no need to make small adjustments...

    I do though disagree with some of the comments herein, relating to difficulty or time these take: It does not take too long to create these, let alone adjust them when needed.

    Once setup on a titleblock family those can remain in the office standard titleblock, then just be modified per project, to relate to the current project's shape and 'zone' break-ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBZ View Post
    As SnowyWeston mentioned, abstracted key plans are the way to go, no need (in my opinion) to invoke any .dwg export or import in most every case.

    One can draw a simplified key plan easily enough that relates to the bldg shape(s) and unless there is a complete redesign there is (usually) no need to make small adjustments...

    I do though disagree with some of the comments herein, relating to difficulty or time these take: It does not take too long to create these, let alone adjust them when needed.

    Once setup on a titleblock family those can remain in the office standard titleblock, then just be modified per project, to relate to the current project's shape and 'zone' break-ups.
    Agreed,....the time spent trying to accomplish some sort of BIM connection with a key plan was taking up most of my time. As long as I stay focused on not trying to reinvent the wheel, I move along at a steady pace,...lol.
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    Would be cool if Revit could create its own "block" of different levels that can be scalable to whatever you wanted.....(It's a feature of Chief Architect...use it for site plans and details/sections since CA sucks for sections and have to be drawn manually)

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