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    Question View Title with Graphic Scale Bar

    Greetings,

    I'm in the process of adding the Scale Bar to the Title Block & one thing that I was hoping to do is add it to my View Title family & take advantage of the scale parameter that comes in the view title.

    Two Things that I would like to accomplish.

    1. Have the Scale Bar move & adjust with the Extension Line of the View Title.
    Is that possible?

    2. For the Scale Bar numbers to automatically update based on the scale of the view.
    This so far I find impossible unless there is a way I can do an IF statement formula ..?

    Q: What is the best way that you would add a Graphic Scale Bar to your Sheet?

    View Title with Graphic Scale Bar-title_scale_bar.png
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    1. You can make number 1 happen, AS LONG AS you dont use the default Extension Line. This means you need a parameter for the width of your view title, which also means you then need a different view title type for each width of the extension line, which sucks. But, some architects demand it. For that reason, we have 46 view titles, lol.

    2. This you cannot make happen, unless you come up with some way using the API to swap out View Title Families by reading the scale. In any way, it wont be automatic. This also means if you do this AND number one, youre number of view titles will be 40ish TIMES the number of scales you have/

    3. If you want the most efficient way, run them up the side of the titleblock like the VA standards, then use the hardcoded and automated Text scale.
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    Great input!

    1. That's not a bad idea, just seems like a lot of work... So your firm has 46 View Titles!!!! WOW - Why so many?... How's that working for you?

    2. Yeah it a pie in the sky dream for me I guess... It would be great if Revit has this baked in...

    3. So make it a part of the Title Block and have the scale below the bar be automated... hardcoded meaning the other numbers will need to be manual... (at least one)...

    Thanks for the help!
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    1. The 46 view titles (for us) arent related to anything Scale related, its that they want a complete box around the view. It works fine. Its pretty easy to figure out which one you want, since its just based on the size on the sheet.

    2. It would be, but right now there is no good way to support it. The manual way i describe above is a TON of work, and your users will get it wrong. When my users pick between view titles, its ONLY related to size of the vport on the sheet. If they had to manually select scale, i guarantee they would get them wrong. All users will. Its silly to add in a manual control for something Revit already does automatically, unless there is a drastic benefit.

    3. They sit on the titleblock, in the margin, nowhere near the viewport. Then there is nothing manual. You use the scale feature of the view title that is included, that writes the scale out as text. Nothing needs to be manual in that case, since ALL graphical scales show on every sheet. In theory thats fine. People forget that graphical scales were there in case the sheet distorted, and you wanted to scale something. The graphical scales all printed on the side, and the text denoting what scale it is, achieves exactly what the old hat tradition was meant to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophilous View Post
    What is the best way that you would add a Graphic Scale Bar to your Sheet?
    I wouldn't - I've got scale reporting in my titleblock, and scale reporting in my view titles (on demand) - and I like to think :
    • my drawings convey scale enough
    • my team have scale rulers
    • my team don't use their scale rulers because they're using .dwfs
    • anyone stupid enough to scale from a NTS print is welcome to do so without my assistance


    But I have done. I had a shared generic annotation family nested within my titleblock, and an instance-based family type switch for picking between the type-varieties of the family. I didn't like it. It never got used. Just like the really clever north arrow point I made in the same titleblock. Sadly the battle continues with cute keyplans.
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    I can agree with you regarding the need for it. The main reason why some people still want it is because the want to verify if the print or copy or scan copy is to scale or half scale...

    So far I'm thinking the place for this thing is the Title Block...

    View Title with Graphic Scale Bar-barscaletb.png

    Thank you for your input...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    1. The 46 view titles (for us) arent related to anything Scale related, its that they want a complete box around the view. It works fine. Its pretty easy to figure out which one you want, since its just based on the size on the sheet.

    2. It would be, but right now there is no good way to support it. The manual way i describe above is a TON of work, and your users will get it wrong. When my users pick between view titles, its ONLY related to size of the vport on the sheet. If they had to manually select scale, i guarantee they would get them wrong. All users will. Its silly to add in a manual control for something Revit already does automatically, unless there is a drastic benefit.

    3. They sit on the titleblock, in the margin, nowhere near the viewport. Then there is nothing manual. You use the scale feature of the view title that is included, that writes the scale out as text. Nothing needs to be manual in that case, since ALL graphical scales show on every sheet. In theory thats fine. People forget that graphical scales were there in case the sheet distorted, and you wanted to scale something. The graphical scales all printed on the side, and the text denoting what scale it is, achieves exactly what the old hat tradition was meant to do.
    That's Great! I'm going to Title Block this Bar and make it very simple with 1/2" - 2" on it and it's going to accomplish what I need.

    Thanks again guys for all the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophilous View Post
    I can agree with you regarding the need for it. The main reason why some people still want it is because the want to verify if the print or copy or scan copy is to scale or half scale...

    So far I'm thinking the place for this thing is the Title Block...

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    Thank you for your input...
    I wouldnt handle it like that, because you can have more than one scale of viewport on the Titleblock. As i said, the VA standard is very ugly, but it serves a very good purpose. Here is how they handle it (VATTL).

    As for the other stuff, here is a sample sheet of ours, and why we have 46 titless: They form boxes, and right justify the view scale.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails View Title with Graphic Scale Bar-beck.jpg   View Title with Graphic Scale Bar-vattl.jpg  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I wouldnt handle it like that, because you can have more than one scale of viewport on the Titleblock. As i said, the VA standard is very ugly, but it serves a very good purpose. Here is how they handle it (VATTL).
    I now see what you mean, thank you for the images that helps my graphic mind...

    I bet your view titles snap together... NICE!

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    Like Aaron, I only put a scale on the view title, never the title block. And same with a north arrow. But the issue of off scale prints has had me thinking about a way to kill two birds with one stone. A medium line weight, gray 2" line in the title block, and a general note explaining that if the line is 2" long the sheet is full scale, 1" long it is half scale, anything else it is not to scale, and if the line cannot be seen at all the entire sheet may not be used for construction, might do the trick. That last because we have always had a note about not scaling, but I have seen sheets on the job site that are 3rd generation copies, where a good 5-10% of the actual information is simply missing! A medium line weight gray line will disappear after a number of duplications, and signal a set that is no longer valid for construction. I have also seen duplications pushed to monochrome, which also makes the set useless as there is information embodied in the screened line. So perhaps the note requires that the line be present and gray. I know, hard to enforce. And we put all this scale validation stuff on there when we also say never scale. And then we scale our own drawings right in front of the contractor. So no wonder we count ourselves lucky when anyone follows the drawings at all.

    Gordon

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