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    Rebuilding custom family templates

    So this weekend I'm thinking of rebuilding some of my custom family templates. Originally I built in Revit 2014 and they still work fine when making families in Revit 2018.
    The custom templates I'm looking at recreating were made in later versions of Revit as I only had access to those releases at the time while I was in the office, so some are 2015, 2017... etc.
    However, I still have perpetual licence installs on an older machine as well as having access to releases from my current subscription licence. So basically I can access every version from 2014-19. (I have older versions on an ancient laptop but let's not go there).

    I do some consulting work on the side and have a client who still uses 2014. He's small time and mostly does home reno's and extensions but likes playing around with Revit, mostly for QTO. I can't see that he really needs any new families but you never know.

    I've heard and read about buggy behaviour vs. improved coding over the years, is it really gonna matter if I use 2014 built families upgraded to 2018/19?

    What do you do? And should I go back to version-

    2014 - covers older stuff
    2015 - I think a bunch of Revit's underlying code was updated here
    2016 - meh
    2017 - project font issues fixed but family fonts not fixed, some legacy projects in my office & with a client
    2018 - 95% majority of current projects
    2019 - FTW why aren't all your templates the latest version???

    Or keep templates for every release - seems like extra work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elton williams View Post
    Or keep templates for every release - seems like extra work.
    my $0.02US: I still create all of my families in R2014 even though I haven't done a job with that old version for some time. I haven't found any downside to creating families in an older version then upgrading them as required. But then I don't do families in a lot of different categories either so YMMV

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    FWIW: Family templates change, year to year, as well.

    The Door Family Templates have changed, and if you dont use the new Family Templates you dont get the new functionalities. Just beware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    FWIW: Family templates change, year to year, as well.

    The Door Family Templates have changed, and if you dont use the new Family Templates you dont get the new functionalities. Just beware.
    I don't need no stinkin' funtionality LOL! Oh, and I don't use the door template as all of my doors are CW doors. I also use the curtain panel, detail item, generic model, and profile mullion templates only for the most part. I'm in a very narrow niche situation so I don't venture out much and don't think that these templates have changed much over the years, at least that I can see. Like I said in my OP, YMMV

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    Oh, for sure. I didnt mean you, was just responding to the concept of *always using the older templates.* My memory is foggy, but over the years IVE been active in Revit, i know: Doors, Generic Models, Windows, Structural Columns, Structural Framing, and MEP family templates have all changed. Im sure there are more that im not remembering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    FWIW: Family templates change, year to year, as well.

    The Door Family Templates have changed, and if you dont use the new Family Templates you dont get the new functionalities. Just beware.
    Doors is one I'm looking to rebuild. There is a paid for door content package (vendor shall remain nameless) in my office and things break occasionally, they are way too complex and can take 10 to just update one length parameter. Yeah that's ridiculous. I have some of my own older doors which work great but I'd like to rebuild them to conform with ANZRS.

    What version would you suggest for the door template? The newer the better?

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    I dont remember what version got the NEW wall closure reference palne functionality, but im certain that you cant force the new planes and functionality back in to the older templates... AKA i cant put them in my doors, without a full rebuild of my doors.

    I *think* that was 2017, when that feature came out.

    FWIW, i dont find the feature very valuable. So, its not worth a door rebuild over (for me).

    Ten minutes to update a length parameter: Sounds to me like a lot of UNshared nested families. Yucky.

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    I recall adding closure plane functionality to my existing doors (based on older templates). I added a ref plane and marked it as "Wall Closure", and Revit adjusts the closure plane as expected. I had to add them manually, but I can't find any evidence of this being performed automatically in the 2019 templates. There's an option to mark a plane as a Wall Closure, but I can't find one marked as such in the template.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I dont remember what version got the NEW wall closure reference palne functionality, but im certain that you cant force the new planes and functionality back in to the older templates... AKA i cant put them in my doors, without a full rebuild of my doors.

    I *think* that was 2017, when that feature came out.

    FWIW, i dont find the feature very valuable. So, its not worth a door rebuild over (for me).

    Ten minutes to update a length parameter: Sounds to me like a lot of UNshared nested families. Yucky.
    10 seconds (for a single instance), but that's still way too long. It's not nested families, it's a zillion formulas both type and instance. in fact they're so poorly built they don't even use shared families but the same panel / frame / hardware are still nested into each one.

    My own existing doors work fine but I want to rebuild them with anzrs shared parameters etc and a couple other small niggling things and well, OCD. Lol.


    btw, what is the "new" wall closure functionality and how does it compare to the old functionality?
    Last edited by elton williams; July 27th, 2018 at 11:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cellersick View Post
    I recall adding closure plane functionality to my existing doors (based on older templates). I added a ref plane and marked it as "Wall Closure", and Revit adjusts the closure plane as expected. I had to add them manually, but I can't find any evidence of this being performed automatically in the 2019 templates. There's an option to mark a plane as a Wall Closure, but I can't find one marked as such in the template.
    There were wall closure parameters for reference planes before the change, as well. But after the change, there could be more than one, and the doors closure behavior could be controlled by instance.

    Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

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