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    Nested Family hidden in Legend Component View

    It appears that it is a commonly known issue with Revit that families nested beyond two degrees of seperation (a familiy, within a family, within a family), will not appear when using Legend Component views. The problem is that all our windows are made this way and we have a deadline . I would just create the Legend Component view of the sub-family since we hide all our casing anyway in window elevations but these sub-families are driven by instance parameters which do not track through the Legend Component system.

    Does anyone make their windows this way and get them to work with Legend Component Views?

    This is the complete window family:

    Nested Family hidden in Legend Component View-parent-family.png

    Nested within the jamb we model the window sash (easy to swap styles and organizes parameters)

    Nested Family hidden in Legend Component View-1.png

    Finally we nest in a parametric 'grid' that generates glass and muntin patterns (2x2,2x3,4x4 pattern etc..)

    Nested Family hidden in Legend Component View-2.png


    when creating a Legend Component view of the Front Elevation this is what I see (no parametric glass and muntin family)

    Nested Family hidden in Legend Component View-front.png
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    I use a documentation phase and model views, not legends - there are just too many restrictions on legend views. Especially if you are on a deadline that might be the fastest option.
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    I'd rather use drafting views than have to deal with legend components. But I use future phase model views.

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    thank you for the quick help, jmk and elton. you both use phases and model views, does this mean a phase for each window? or do you simply hide the other windows or elements in view so that only the window you want is shown in elevation? What if we would like to see the same window through multiple phases? for example we already use phases to create multiple drawing sets in a single project (City Submittal Set, CD set, etc..) is it possible to show the same window through both while being on its own documentation phase. I'm fairly new to trying a project this way so please excuse all the questions

    thanks!

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    What we do is have a phase (earlier means you need to demo the items, later you don't, both work as long as your view settings are right). In that phase we place an instance of each element type we want to see in the legend - doors, windows, etc. We then create views that look at that phase, and place the view on the sheet (using dependent views if the legend needs to be on multiple sheets) and tag/annotate them as needed. Using the documentation phase allows you to put them in a line, and you only need a couple views to get everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmk View Post
    What we do is have a phase (earlier means you need to demo the items, later you don't, both work as long as your view settings are right). In that phase we place an instance of each element type we want to see in the legend - doors, windows, etc. We then create views that look at that phase, and place the view on the sheet (using dependent views if the legend needs to be on multiple sheets) and tag/annotate them as needed. Using the documentation phase allows you to put them in a line, and you only need a couple views to get everything.
    Earlier means you have to demolish, later means you have to make sure to put it somewhere (physically) that the project won't run over it. As long as you have an area staked out in the template, that can work.

    But there's always a chance a future renovation runs in to it.

    Trade offs, either way.

    Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    But there's always a chance a future renovation runs in to it.
    That's why I place my phased legend items above the maximum allowable height for that zone. The chances of that ever becoming an issue are somewhat less than winning the lottery
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    P.S - does anyone happen to know if the nested objects in legend components issue is resolved in Revit 2018?

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    Nothing has changed in 2018, to the best of my knowledge. I wouldnt expect it to change for 2019, as well, since i dont think Autodesk considers it *broken.* Legend Views are basically ****. I dont use them for anything other than text.

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