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Thread: Another crisis of confidence in Categories

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    Another crisis of confidence in Categories

    Although I often can be found here espousing the merits of category abuse, I'm also guilty of fussing over them persistently.

    As with another thread of mine from years past when I fussed over what constitutes "speciality", I find myself pondering on "Entourage".

    Strictly décor and all things fluff? Of the like some would argue shouldn't be in a Revit model? Well that's obviously Entourage. But what about a sizeable floorstanding printer or wall mounted television? They're not (typically) contract items, so Entourage fits, but then they are also electrical equipment. Or fixtures in case of the television. Or is it telecommunications? Then there's that natty iPad family used to decorate student rooms... etc...

    It's all very much minutia, given we're talking the category-classification of contentious content, but how strict would you stick to category canon in this regard?

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    Not really minutia to me at all. It's very easy (to me) to decide:

    Floor standing printer, wall mounted TV's, computers, monitors, are all FFE items, as in they DO often get shown, and tagged, and scheduled with the FFE equipment. My schedules are all multi cat, so it doesn't really matter what they're set to, but in all of the above cases they are set to Specialty Equipment.

    The iPad is technically NIC (not even part of FFE) but I still model it as SE.

    I don't use the Entourage category for anything other than People, Animals, and Vehicles. That's mainly because those objects are generally RPC and only show in realistic mode, so Entourage is one of the few categories I shut off wholesale in most view templates.

    So I'll leave the iPad as SE because it shows up fine in hidden line views.

    Honestly, I even vacillate between SE and GM based on physical object size and likelihood it needs to be. It by a view.

    But it's just personal preference. If your schedules are set up based on data, who really still cares about category?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Floor standing printer, wall mounted TV's, computers, monitors, are all FFE items, as in they DO often get shown, and tagged, and scheduled with the FFE equipment. My schedules are all multi cat, so it doesn't really matter what they're set to, but in all of the above cases they are set to Specialty Equipment.
    Since they are all multi-category, how are you controlling what is in them? I know you have the Include_Schedule parameters - are there any other filter considerations you use?

    ...
    Honestly, I even vacillate between SE and GM based on physical object size and likelihood it needs to be. It by a view.
    There is also the issue of cutting. The one I run into a lot is the pre-fab showers & tubs that get used a lot in hospitality and healthcare. Technically a plumbing fixture, but those can't be cut...

    sidenote: after re-reading your sentence I'm guessing there is a . where it should say cut?

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    Yep, exactly. And yep, exactly.

    EDIT:

    Sorry, was on a conference call, so i didnt answer in the clearest of formats.

    They are all multi-cats, and i use the Include Parameters for all of the Filtering. Its crazy fast and very efficient, and allows for items to cross populate more than one schedule, if need be. Using Assembly Codes, and the way Revit treats them in alphabetical order with Filters, gets very difficult.

    The SE vs GM and content "size" thing that i was talking about, was in reference to Cuttability, yes.
    Last edited by Twiceroadsfool; November 6th, 2017 at 07:04 PM.

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    Utilize assembly codes on your equipment then it doesn't matter if its GM or SE or Furn you can sort/filter by assembly code.
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