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    Super Secret Modeling Method - Hosting reference lines to reference lines

    Hi everybody,

    Thought I'd share this method I've been using for a while to better control rotating elements in a family. Have any of you used it yourself, or tried it before?

    Reference lines are important to use when modeling rotating elements. They actually have fixed points, unlike reference planes. This allows one to better set up parametric points of rotation that actually work. Typically only one reference line is used, but have you ever tried using more than one? Generally, constraints will fail if dimensions are placed between two reference lines. Automatic Sketch Dimensions are constantly being formed between two reference lines if they are on the same work plane. This makes making more complex rotational elements difficult.

    In comes "Edit Work Plane". The first reference line controlling the point of rotation becomes the 'leader'. All other reference lines at this point become 'followers'. Reference lines can modified to sit on the work plane of a reference line. This removes many issues with constraints between multiple reference lines, as now ASDs are made with relation to their edited work plane, not any other work plane. Ever tried to constrain two lines (symbolic, model, reference) to the same point that share the same work plane? Constraints fail, and neither point will stay where it was constrained. I've been using this technique for a while now to some pretty good success, and the options it has opened up to certain family categories is immense.

    Please see the attached family for an example of something that would typically be really difficult to model conventionally.
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    Unfortunately I'm out of town. Can't wait to get home and check out your attachment


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    Thats how all of the swinging elements are done in my libraries. Door Swings, Hardware Hosting, Millwork pieces, etc.

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    Super Secret isn't really a super secret....

    Marcello did something like this to make at AT-ST Walk and a fork lift adjust...get some more parameters in there you can make Rotation B adjust and stay level as Rotation gets larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
    Super Secret isn't really a super secret....

    Marcello did something like this to make at AT-ST Walk and a fork lift adjust...get some more parameters in there you can make Rotation B adjust and stay level as Rotation gets larger.
    Forgive me if I'm missing something, as I don't keep up to date on all of the AU classes.

    Doesn't he mostly focus on adaptive templates? I saw the adaptive reference point techniques he does, along with the 'revolve hosting' and 'ride the rails' stuff. I haven't seen him do anything about using multiple 'edit work planes', hosting reference lines inside of reference lines, in the standard family editor.

    And, for context, 'super secret' is being used as hyperbole, but also because it removes certain limitations in the software one wouldn't expect it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post
    Forgive me if I'm missing something, as I don't keep up to date on all of the AU classes.

    Doesn't he mostly focus on adaptive templates? I saw the adaptive reference point techniques he does, along with the 'revolve hosting' and 'ride the rails' stuff. I haven't seen him do anything about using multiple 'edit work planes', hosting reference lines inside of reference lines, in the standard family editor.

    And, for context, 'super secret' is being used as hyperbole, but also because it removes certain limitations in the software one wouldn't expect it to.
    Yeah, he does use adaptive components alot...but he did something a lot like you are doing and how to make it so it won't break....using simple reference lines. And it had 3 or 4 hinges.

    You need to get to BiLT...missing out on a lot. Don't care for AU..

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    I've been to RTCNA once, last year. Couldn't attend to many classes, though, due to volunteering as an 'expert content guy'.

    Figured it would be a good thing to share this method, as I don't see it written or talked about much, if at all. A google search doesn't necessarily generate the right hits. It's helped me the past few years create some pretty cool things.

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