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    Hardware wont be a bad idea... That i can promise.

    A while ago i tossed the ADA Clearances in there too... But now the clearances even know to move, according to whether or not the door is recessed more than the 8 inch maximum, and- if so- to move with the door so that the clearance overlaps the wall.

    Hardware modeled (and even over modeled) isnt going to hurt a models performance, i can tell you that.
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    I need to look into the 8" thing. I've not had to deal with that much but you never know.

    For me, hardware is best done as yet another nested family, 1 per hardware set w/ individual pieces in the next, rather than each piece in the parent individually.


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    Hi Aaron. Won't you share new Twiceroadsfools Doors for Download- Nested Panels/Frames, v ? ? (with fantastic hardware)


    Why are your doors families are centered origin (and not left orignined) ?

    Could you please make a topic on your windows family approach ?

    As you've said in that topic, "Dont have time to do a large type up right now, but will try to revisit later."

    I've read somewhere you have one superfamily ...

    I've done my V1 of windows (French language) according your door's approach (nested panels). Here an image :




    Downlodable here.

    But i'm on my first projet working with them, not entirely convinced.

    Thank for your awesome help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMcDowellJr View Post
    I need to look into the 8" thing. I've not had to deal with that much but you never know.

    For me, hardware is best done as yet another nested family, 1 per hardware set w/ individual pieces in the next, rather than each piece in the parent individually.
    I dont do the "Hardware set" family, as it makes it harder to interact with the individual hardware pieces through a schedule controlled by the API, which is what i am using the pieces for, so that the right party (Door Hardware consultant, if there is one), can fill in the information.

    Quote Originally Posted by samdunn


    Hi Aaron. Won't you share new Twiceroadsfools Doors for Download- Nested Panels/Frames, v ? ? (with fantastic hardware)
    Why are your doors families are centered origin (and not left orignined) ?


    Sorry. The V4 doors were released, and then after the total rebuild i jumped in to the hardware and the clearances. The number of man hours i have invested in getting the clearances and the hardware to work the way i wanted is such that they arent getting released for free, anymore. Sorry about that.

    The doors have their origins at the center of the opening because thats where i wanted the doors to flex from. I dont want them always shifting to one side, when someone changes the size of the door.

    Quote Originally Posted by samdunn
    Could you please make a topic on your windows family approach ?
    As you've said in that topic, "Dont have time to do a large type up right now, but will try to revisit later."
    I've read somewhere you have one superfamily ...
    Sorry, i've been very busy lately. I might do a write up, but it wont be including the Window Families. They are built almost identically to these doors, except there are additional nested families. There is the Parent Family, then there are Units, Casings, Interior Trim, Exterior Trim, and Intermediate Jambs and Heads, all nested in.

    Don't know what you read, or where, but they are not *superfamilies* as i don't believe in Super Families. All of the "Window action types" are nested components, however. So- unlike my doors- you don't need a different Parent family for Single Hung versus Casement. But you need a different family for Singles, Doubles, and multiple rows, etc.

    In some ways the windows are more complicated than the Doors. BUT, the windows have also led me to a few decisions that will be changing in the doors, when i get the next versions started or upgraded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samdunn View Post
    Could you please make a topic on your windows family approach ?

    As you've said in that topic, "Dont have time to do a large type up right now, but will try to revisit later."
    http://www.revitforum.org/architectu...our-model.html

    There are a few files you can take apart in the above thread and the Residential Windows thread you've already mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I don't do the "Hardware set" family, as it makes it harder to interact with the individual hardware pieces through a schedule controlled by the API, which is what i am using the pieces for, so that the right party (Door Hardware consultant, if there is one), can fill in the information.
    What are they filling in? More than the hardware set number? Are they filling in detail information about each piece of hardware? How do you manage the, seemingly, infinite variation/quality/etc.?

    I've only ever needed to get the corresponding set number into the documents which I can do with nested families, excel, and Dynamo. I have its setup right now that, if I needed too, I could also have each individual piece schedule out but, you're right, that's nowhere near as easy with the nesting approach.

    Then again, I meet a lot of resistance when talking about dealing with door hardware beyond a number in a schedule.

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    That's entire up to the different firms you talk to. Not all firms USE a HW Set: Some of them DO list specific pieces of Hardware. It might not be tha MAJORITY, but my way can do both. Once you've gone the HW Set Nested route, doing individual pieces gets more complex.

    Besides, i prefer to have the revit components listed out individually, and then if people want to use *SETS* out of them, they can simply make *SETS* in the Excel file they edit, and its the same thing. Why put the limiting factor in Revit? (Rhetorical)

    Infinite variations isn't an issue, since i'm not making *set components* i'm making *individual pieces.* Everyone can decide if they are showing a generic object, or specific levels or grades of quality, at their own discretion. My approach works for me,. Im sure yours works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    My approach works for me,. Im sure yours works for you.
    LOL - Of course! I do like, however, to see how others deal with issues. I know you can't/won't share the families but I'd love to get a look at it someday to see how you managed some of the issues I ran into when I was exploring things.
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    I can attest that a nested hardware group with the major visual items shown and the remainder as text fields has made things easier. Between being able to visually verify that you did things correctly it also eliminated at least 99% of the typos in the door and hardware schedules. I can only screw things up in one place now instead of hundreds if not thousands of tightly spaced columns.

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