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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    There are certainly things that- if they are present on a sheet- it will not let you "Insert from file." As youve discovered, "live views" are one of these things. If you "save out" live views, it brings chunks of the model with it, which isnt what you want. The sheets that are showing up (which arent the ones you want) probably dont have live views on them. Insert from file works great for standard details.

    Also, if its available in the list, but says "Cannot insert from file," this generally means there is a definition of something in that file making your project *unhappy.* Are any of the details exploded CAD details? If so- because of the way CAD stuff gets stored under Imported objects- its very easy for block.dwg definitions to conflict with one another, and Revit will freak out. Same thing if you have a detail component in each file, but in one of them the definition is rotated 90 degrees, as this jacks with dimensions.

    Revit is way faster at a lot of things. Making sheets isnt one of them. There is no "grabbing a layout tab, and hitting copy." You take the bad with the great.

    Good luck with it!
    Bah, time to flip to the manual cause I can't understand what ppl are saying here in the forums/forum related links provided.
    http://docs.autodesk.com/subscriptio...1391d-24ff.htm

    1.) What are "live views?" You mean all those things that get saved as duplicates of my original file name with number extensions ("NSC = original, NSC.001, NSC.003 = live views?) And how exactly do I go about saving in "standard details?"

    2.) I'm putting this up on the AUGI wishlist -__- "why can u not make our BIM drafting easier when it comes to basic things like these?, you're not making your profits any larger by making users suffer"
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    Funny thing is, no one EVER got their drawings done via pin registration drafting to look exactly like the drawings done without. Nor can anyone make their technical pen, template and drafting machine drawings look exactly like their t-square, triangles and freehand pencil drawings. Kroy lettering doesn't look like hand lettering, hand stipple doesn't look like zipatone. Technology has affected the look of drawings going back to the Renaissance, when the "old school" folks probably complained about this whole new fangled "drawings" concept, because "everyone knows you have to make a model!"
    For that matter, Jefferson DID use poche to represent glass. Those assinine little tick marks are I believe an invention of the San Francisco AIA back in the 60's, not because poche looked bad, but because it took too long to do well. This stuff isn't the missing 11th commandment, it is just a convenient standard based on "current technology". Never was anything more meaningful than that. Never should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by se13gits View Post
    Bah, time to flip to the manual if you can't understand what ppl are saying here in the forums/forum related links provided.
    http://docs.autodesk.com/subscriptio...1391d-24ff.htm

    1.) What are "live views?" You mean all those things that get saved as duplicates of my original file name with number extensions ("NSC = original, NSC.001, NSC.003 = live views?) And how exactly do I go about saving in "standard details?"

    2.) I'm putting this up on the AUGI wishlist -__- "why can u not make our BIM drafting easier when it comes to basic things like these?, you're not making your profits any larger by making users suffer"
    Wow. Listen man, its hard when you get thrown in and dont have adequate time and support to learn innovative new software, but a jaded attitude doesnt help your cause. I apologize in advance if you didnt *understand* my terminology, but i assumed you had been in the program a decent amount.

    1. Yes, i mean views that are cut live from the model. There are Live views, and there are Drafting views. Drafting views and schedules (formatting and layout and filters and sorting only) can go on the sheets that get done with Insert From View. Floor plans, Elevations, Sections, Callouts, RCP's, etc, cannot.

    2. Its not about "making users suffer," and you wont win much favor to get help with a mindset like that. When you start working with an intelligent and far-more-complex database, its not as easy as "copy this sheet." You get in to questions like:

    2a. The sheet has a Plan, a section, 2 schedules, and an elevation. The plan is at L1, Cut plan @ 5'6". Should it ASSume the same CP at another level? What level?

    2b. What if the sections on the sheet span multiple levels. How does it interpolate what to do there?
    2c. What should it do with schedules, make copies of everything? Or place the same schedule on the sheet? Or make a copy, and try to raise the Filter by X amount? How does it know?
    2d. You want to dupe the sheet, but change it from a plan to an RCP. Or vice versa. But you just duplicated the sheet, so now its a plan. So what, you have to remove the plan anyway?
    2e. You want to insert it from a blank file, but the file you made it from had an entirely different level structure. How should it handle that?

    It goes on and on. Anyway, if you want constructive help, let me know if the above (in reference to number 1) didnt help. My workflow? For new plans, i go to View ribbon > Plan Views > select all of the levels. I set up all the views at once, then make all of the sheets, then assemble. Doesnt take that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alm555 View Post
    New to Revit [using MEP2010]. Is there a way to "copy" a sheet setup (views imported, and their location on the sheet) from one project to the next.

    I have made up a sheet "just the way I want it" and would like to re-create its layout for another project...
    What you can do is this:

    1. Big R > Save As > Template. You now save your project as a Template File which you can reuse in any next project.
    2. Delete all geometry and you're done.

    No guarantees though: you might be forced to change the way the sheets look due to differences in project size and stuff.


    BTW:
    I'm going to assume you came from Autocad or another 2d program. And you're new?
    Take a course (or three). Revit is a whole different ballgame, MEP is even harder to learn. You have rules now. In cad, you can draw whatever you want, however you want it. Won't work here cause the software has rules. Learn the rules (hence the training) and play by the book. If you don't have the funding for training, do some YouTube searches. Try dgcad.com, great site back when I had to learn Revit (but that is a LONG time ago so I don't know if he's still around).

    Have fun and good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Wow. Listen man, its hard when you get thrown in and dont have adequate time and support to learn innovative new software, but a jaded attitude doesnt help your cause. I apologize in advance if you didnt *understand* my terminology, but i assumed you had been in the program a decent amount...

    It goes on and on. Anyway, if you want constructive help, let me know if the above (in reference to number 1) didnt help. My workflow? For new plans, i go to View ribbon > Plan Views > select all of the levels. I set up all the views at once, then make all of the sheets, then assemble. Doesnt take that long.
    Ahh, well, now people are replying to things I didn't post ... but it goes to show you that there are many of us "out there" who have been pushed into Revit from Autocad, by people who expect us to produce drawings that "look like what we make in Autocad". I happen to work for a design/install company for Sound/AV/Broadcast systems. We typically work with the Architect and MEP types on jobs. Now that jobs are coming in with elements of BIM, our company has decide to jump onto Revit for our work (= our drawings, in their minds), as well. Basically, I (and other CAD users at the company) are faced with having to figure out how to do this, with a technology that, frankly, goes WAAAAY beyond anything that we need.

    I can SOMETIMES find the answer to one of my many questions by looking in that 2-volume Training Guide [Contents, but no Index!?], and SOMETIMES can work my way though the terminology to be able to ask the appropriate question (either here, or in Revit HELP) ... but so far - not very often. I've even emailed questions to the fellow who trained a few of us (about a year ago). Got back one answer to one question, then nothing since! So here I am, asking for help here, while at the same time trying to "produce drawings" for a job.

    But in any case - thank you to all those who are attempting to help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdradvies View Post
    What you can do is this:

    1. Big R > Save As > Template. You now save your project as a Template File which you can reuse in any next project.
    2. Delete all geometry and you're done.

    No guarantees though: you might be forced to change the way the sheets look due to differences in project size and stuff.


    BTW:
    I'm going to assume you came from Autocad or another 2d program. And you're new?
    Take a course (or three). Revit is a whole different ballgame, MEP is even harder to learn. You have rules now. In cad, you can draw whatever you want, however you want it. Won't work here cause the software has rules. Learn the rules (hence the training) and play by the book. If you don't have the funding for training, do some YouTube searches. Try dgcad.com, great site back when I had to learn Revit (but that is a LONG time ago so I don't know if he's still around).

    Have fun and good luck.
    Again - thanks to all who are attempting to help ... yeah ... training. Exactly what I had a year ago (provided by the company I work for). Trouble is, none of us were given the task of actually USING Revit until a few weeks ago, so much of that training went to waste, in my thinking. Did not even know what questions to ASK, a year ago!

    BTW - each one of these "projects" that I'm dealing with consists only of one simple room, which I "built" myself, from measurements of each actual room.

    I was really hoping it would be a simple task to "import" the basic layout of one sheet onto another, but turns out it wasn't, and isn't really necessary anyway ... Live and learn.

    What I ended up doing (eventually) --- all this, just so the one-whole-sheet that all my views are on for one room, will look "the same" as the one-whole sheet for the OTHER room --- was simply this: drawing a custom "grid" on the good sheet, denoting where each view should land, then copying that grid onto the same sheet for the other project. Close enough. Tied myself in knots for something that's not even that vital to the projects ...

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    Now I'm confused... Do you need to add sheets to a project file, or do you need new project files with the same setup?

    When creating a template file with the "good" sheet in it deleting all geometry DOES NOT mean that the sheet is empty. The VIEWS (viewports in acad terms) are still there. Draw the new project in the same place and it will fill itself. So that SHOULD work.

    Another option (when you add rooms and sheets to the same project file):
    Use Guide Grids. This Guide Grid let's you align the views on the Grid Lines.
    Go to the Sheet. Go to the View Tab and click Guide Grid (under Sheet Composition).
    This lays a blue grid over your sheet which is not going to be printed. Select it and set up the spacing and naming.
    Now, when you need to ADD a sheet, do so.
    In the properties screen (under Other, all the way down) there's a field named Guide Grid. Click on None and you can choose the predifened one you just created. Set existing and new next to each other and place the LIVE views the same. You can copy > Paste to same place to copy the other views around.

    Only problem:
    1. Only grids can be used to align. Not walls or any other modelled stuff.
    2. View titles won't align. That's a bummer.

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    Quick add to Martijn's advice: You can use Levels and Refplanes as well to align your viewports to the Guide Grid.

    (But you can't use the Align function, select Viewport, Move, snap to Grid/Refplane/Level, snap to Guide Grid)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    Wow. Listen man, its hard when you get thrown in and dont have adequate time and support to learn innovative new software, but a jaded attitude doesnt help your cause. I apologize in advance if you didnt *understand* my terminology, but i assumed you had been in the program a decent amount.

    2. Its not about "making users suffer," and you wont win much favor to get help with a mindset like that. When you start working with an intelligent and far-more-complex database, its not as easy as "copy this sheet."
    Sorry Twiceroadsfool, alm555 about that uncalled for flaming at Revit there.
    I meant to say "I did not understand your terminology", not "if you can't understand" meaning alm555 or other users because I myself am really new to Revit so I completely understand being lost.

    This topic is just one of those times where I think such a feature like being able to transfer layouts with an drop down parameter list window for what to transfer would be useful.
    Thanks for explaining your terminology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alm555 View Post
    Close enough. Tied myself in knots for something that's not even that vital to the projects ...
    Congratulations, alm! You've just made your first step towards "getting" Revit.
    Everybody gets all hung up when they first start learning Revit in thinking that everything has to look exactly like it did in AutoCAD.
    What they should be focusing on is "How can we make it work BETTER than AutoCAD?"
    Yes, there are company Graphic Standards, and yes, you do need to be concerned with the appearance of your drawings.
    But, for better or for worse, that's not what Revit's all about. Revit is all about ensuring that the INFORMATION BEHIND those drawings is accurate and reliable.
    (Hint: it's better)
    What's more important- getting two floor plans in exactly the same place on the sheet in two separate projects - or being able to show a Plan, Elevation, Section, and 3D View on that sheet and guarantee that they are coordinated?
    Make a change in one location in a Revit project, and it is changed everywhere it shows up.
    Yes, there are a few things that take longer in Revit, but they are FAR outweighed time saved by the things that you simply don't even have to do anymore.

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