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    MSi GE 60 laptop, quad core, 16gb and Revit/CAD are slow/laggy

    Hi

    I bought a laptop for my gaming/university work. I'm studying Architectural Technology.

    My Laptop
    i7 3630QM (2.4GHz, overclocks to 3.4GHz under intensive usage), hyperthreading Quad core/8threads.
    16GB 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Ram
    7200rpm 750GB HDD
    GTX660M 2GB

    Basically, Revit and CAD are incredibly laggy and slow. CAD lags with a simple line command

    Revit, don't get me started, where doesn't it lag. Loading families, placing families, altering family item size, materials library drives me crazy due to crazy lag and loading times. Materials is the main issue with the lagg, takes FOREVER to load the material editor, when I click on a material... It's like playing a game with 3 fps.

    There is no way my quad core (stays above 3GHz during revit use), 16gb ram can perform worse than my crappy £300 HP laptop with it's duo-core and 4gb of ram, I had before buying this.

    I have no idea what is causing this and it's driving me nuts as I try to do simple things and it's like my laptop is trying to climb a mountain, it's quite strange that decent laptop like this acts like a £200 laptop.
    Last edited by stewartjr; March 27th, 2014 at 10:00 AM.

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    What kind of model(s) are we talking about here?
    What other applications have you got running?
    Have you run the RFo benchmark?

    EDIT And welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartjr View Post
    Hi

    I bought a laptop for my gaming/university work. I'm studying Architectural Technology.

    My Laptop
    i7 3630QM (2.4GHz, overclocks to 3.4GHz under intensive usage), hyperthreading Quad core/8threads.
    16GB 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Ram
    7200rpm 750GB HDD
    GTX660M 2GB

    Basically, Revit and CAD are incredibly laggy and slow. CAD lags with a simple line command

    Revit, don't get me started, where doesn't it lag. Loading families, placing families, altering family item size, materials library drives me crazy due to crazy lag and loading times

    There is no way my quad core (stays above 3GHz during revit use), 16gb ram can perform worse than my crappy £300 HP laptop with it's duo-core and 4gb of ram, I had before buying this.

    I have no idea what is causing this and it's driving me nuts as I try to do simple things and it's like my laptop is trying to climb a mountain, it's quite strange that decent laptop like this acts like a £200 laptop.
    Have you used the MSCONFIG tool to disable all unnecessary startup applications in the Windows OS? In AutoCAD, have you typed 3DCONFIG and made sure hardware accelerator is enabled? Is hardware acceleration enabled in Revit as well? What Visual Style are you using in AutoCAD and Revit?

    Wireframe is best for both applications on performance. In Revit, making sure Thin Lines is enabled also helps tremendously. In Revit, if you are in Hidden, or Shaded Visual Style then you'll take a performance hit, and especially if you have Shadows enabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    What kind of model(s) are we talking about here?
    What other applications have you got running?
    Have you run the RFo benchmark?

    EDIT And welcome to the forum!
    Thanks! I may be using this site more, help with improving my revit skills!

    I'm designing a single story house for a course project, 1 bedroom (2 bedroom or 1 office/study + master bedroom).
    Very basic model, no lighting except sun pathing has been done. Hence the frustration that my laptop is struggling to run revit with the power it has.

    Google Chrome with few tabs such as revit city/facebook/non-heavy usage sites.. Barely touches 200MB of my RAM/3%-8% of CPU.

    Quote Originally Posted by tzframpton View Post
    Have you used the MSCONFIG tool to disable all unnecessary startup applications in the Windows OS? In AutoCAD, have you typed 3DCONFIG and made sure hardware accelerator is enabled? Is hardware acceleration enabled in Revit as well? What Visual Style are you using in AutoCAD and Revit?

    Wireframe is best for both applications on performance. In Revit, making sure Thin Lines is enabled also helps tremendously. In Revit, if you are in Hidden, or Shaded Visual Style then you'll take a performance hit, and especially if you have Shadows enabled.
    All pointless programs are disabled on startup (long ago!).

    As for hardware acceleration, yes my Revit is hardware accelerated, CAD wasn't and has been fixed. Both systems run on my GTX660M, or atleast they should as I told my system too. I'm on hidden but, my old and significantly less powerful handled hidden with no issues. Maybe this is a Revit 2013 issue? I did have 2012 Architecture before I upgraded and didn't notice all this lag.

    As for the wireframe, thin line thickness, shadows etc.. i7 Quad core - 3GHz/16GB isn't enough to handle these? :P
    Last edited by stewartjr; March 27th, 2014 at 09:52 AM.

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    CAD has been fixed as it wasn't hardware accelerated.

    Revit however, says it's already hardware accelerated, however, it's crazy that my Quad core 3GHz (during use as it overclocks itself) and 16GB have no impact whatsoever.

    This may be a Revit 2013 issue, as I did upgrade to 2013, upgraded from 2012 Architecture (university computers for printing use 2013) so I can switch between computers and still use my files.

    Thin lines didn't change much.

    Major areas of lag are placing of Families, altering Families, materials (goes mental when I click anywhere in editor and material selection), 3D rotating. These issues didn't exist in 2012 Architecture as far as I'm aware as I didn't notice any lag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartjr View Post
    These issues didn't exist in 2012 Architecture as far as I'm aware as I didn't notice any lag.
    I've also found 2013 to be laggier than 2012 (and slower than 2014) but not the night/day difference you seem to be suggesting.

    Has the model grown in complexity significantly since the upgrade?

    Have you run an audit, a purge and investigated any of the many "model-killers" ? Broken filepath links to off-network locations, imported/exploded .dwgs, lines slightly off axis, complicated-sketch-based elements? etc

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    Would like to update.

    Installed Revit 2014 due to a specific feature which mad work 1000 times easier, to discover that 2014 has 0 lag, renders are MUCH quicker compared to 2013 (similar camera views and lighting settings)... Oh, and materials menu, instantaneous! Unlike 1 min wait per click.

    Render: Same Angle, lighting options, 2014: Best quality: 16 minutes completed. 2013: 16 minutes and only 20% done.

    Unfotunately my campus computers are all Revit 2013 (printing purposes) so I'll have to find a middle ground between 2014/2013, may try a reinstall of Revit 2013.



    Very weird.
    Last edited by stewartjr; March 27th, 2014 at 08:59 PM.

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