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    Wall join problem

    Idea's about this problem?

    I want to create a row of houses with a double wall between the houses.
    I first want to draw the outher walls of all houses, and then the double walls to sepertate the houses.
    When I do this, I het this

    Wall join problem-01.jpg

    In detail
    Wall join problem-02.jpg

    But I want to get this:
    Wall join problem-03.jpg
    (done with photoshop)

    The wals should be disconnected for better acoutic insulation.

    Anyone got an idea how to get this?

    alvast bedankt!

    bob

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    i tried it out with "create parts", but it's a mess...-perhaps i'm not that good with parts, but my other suggestion would be to draw three walls, with two different wall types:

    Wall join problem-22-12-2012-21-51-15.png

    (one is blue, one is red)


    which will give you the wall join you┤re looking for:

    Wall join problem-22-12-2012-22-02-51.png

    If you play it right, placing location lines on top of each other, and constraining them to one another, you can almost consider the three walls as one. there will be issues around wall schedules, but if you use material take-off instead, it should work out fine.
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    OK this is a very old trick.
    Set up a cavity brick wall with the same "assembly" as shown in image.
    1 Brick wall as structure layer and 1 as a finish layer.
    Now you have to "delete" the function text out of the outer layer.
    Revit will not let you actually delete the text BUT if you "backspace" and leave just 1 letter (or 2) in function type and press OK Revit will actually delete the function type.
    The next time you open "Edit Assembly" the function type will be blank.
    Now as long as the Brick material type is the same in both wall types the wall will join just like you want.
    This wall type is brilliant for drawing full brick buildings where you need continuous cavities.
    If you can't replicate what I have done, open the attached project and copy paste the wall into your project.
    This wall type will also automatically do return (cavity closure) to the ends of full brick walls.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Wall join problem-wall-properties.jpg   Wall join problem-contiuous-cavity.jpg  
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    Last edited by mark b; December 23rd, 2012 at 06:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark b View Post
    OK this is a very old trick.
    You say that but it's the first time I've ever seen it - and although it's not (presently) much use to me - I shall be bookmarking this one! Cheers Mark.

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    Hi,

    tx to mark B and tuekappel.

    I tried the tip from tuekappel, but there is no possibility to place windows I think.

    The tip from mark works..
    But the insulation of both walls should be the same.

    When I change the insulation from one wall to an air barrier, or another type of insulation, it changes back.


    here the walls have both same insulation.
    Wall join problem-.jpg

    Here I tried to chage one wall to an air barrier
    Wall join problem-b.jpg

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    Another solution is to handle that T intersection as a model group. Since it is going to be repetitive in the project, every time you need it, you can insert the group again, mirror it, copy it, etc. The group solves the intersection with individual walls. The exterior wall and the double wall in between houses will not need to be modified, and your insulation materials, windows, doors, etc, can work as usual.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Wall join problem-12-23-2012-3-01-03-pm.jpg  
    Last edited by Alfredo Medina; December 23rd, 2012 at 11:03 PM. Reason: grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfredo Medina View Post
    Another solution is to handle that T intersection as a model group. Since it is going to be repetitive in the project, every time you need it, you can insert the group again, mirror it, copy it, etc. The group solves the intersection with individual walls. The exterior wall and the double wall in between houses will not need to be modified, and your insulation materials, windows, doors, etc, can work as usual.
    TX for the tip. I also going to try this.

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    I did some more exercises with the tip from mark.

    The wall is like i want it to be (right frame) But.... The conection t the floor is wrong (left frame).

    Wall join problem-x.jpg


    when i replace the "function" in "edit assembly" the floor is back where it should be, but the wall join is again wrong.

    Wall join problem-y.jpg

    Wall join problem-z.jpg

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